Off topic gnopernicus and debian

Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[jim grimsby]

Hi, 
Well I have been a good boy and have read everything I can find on this
subject.  But the fact of the matter is that everytime I install
gnopernicus with debian I get nothing.  
I install it using the apt-get install gnopernicus -y 
Command
It installs just fine.  Also it installs festival and I do a
apt-show-versions on the dependencies  and they are all there.  
So using gdm I log in to gnome.  
Hit alt+f2 run gnopernicus the system beeps.  
I enable access support.  Then I log out and log back in.
Run it again and no speech.   No error. 
Comes up.
My sighted father when I was up there said nothing showed as being
wrong. Both computers I loaded it on did not work.  
So I guess the question is any one have any idea why not?
Should I get gnome 2.10 and get the source for gnopernicus and see if it
works.  Is the version of festival that comes with debian to old for
gnome-speech to use?  Speech dispatcher seems to work with it just fine.

Also how do I tell gnopernicus to use my dectalk software version 5?  
Is there a manual out there that explains all this shit in plain simple
tmers so I can get this working?
Thanks 

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Lutz Kaiser]

Hi Jim and list,

my thoughts:
test festivall with festivall --tts any_file

Do you have started festival-server before running gnome ?

and last but not least, do you have a line in the /etc/festival.scm which
looks like this?
(set! server_access_list nil)



To allow access to your festivall-server?



i start gnome with "startx" and gnopernicus with /B -s

the parameter "/B" is neccessary because Gnopernicus doesnt work with brltty
3.4.....



On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything usefull in Applications like
Abiword or open-office. I could n't find out why.



regards

Lutz

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

We should probably take this to the gnome-accessibility list.

You probably want to build Gnopernicus and gnome-speech from source.
Debian's Gnopernicus is still at 0.9.  The current release is up to
0.10.7.  If you want braille support in Gnopernicus, you will need to
upgrade your Brltty.  The version in Debian is to old to work.

You will need to rebuild gnome-speech to get support for your DECtalk
software.  Also, the official gnome-speech package contains a program
called test-speech which isn't in Debian's package.  I've found
test-speech very helpful in figuring out problems.  Like it's name
suggests, it will let you test the speech servers available to
Gnopernicus.  Debian's festival isn't to old to work with Gnopernicus,
but Gnome-speech might not be working.

For Braille support, you will need to upgrade to at least Brltty 3.6.1
and get a file called ttybrl.c from the Brltty svn and replace the one
in the Gnopernicus source tree.

I'm using Gnome, but I built Gnopernicus, gnome-speech, and brltty from
source.  The rest of my Gnome is still Debian packages.

This stuff is only documented in archives of the gnome-accessibility
list, so it's not surprising you didn't find any info.  Contact me
privately if you want help building the packages from source in Debian.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:20:01AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi, 
> Well I have been a good boy and have read everything I can find on this
> subject.  But the fact of the matter is that everytime I install
> gnopernicus with debian I get nothing.  
> I install it using the apt-get install gnopernicus -y 
> Command
> It installs just fine.  Also it installs festival and I do a
> apt-show-versions on the dependencies  and they are all there.  
> So using gdm I log in to gnome.  
> Hit alt+f2 run gnopernicus the system beeps.  
> I enable access support.  Then I log out and log back in.
> Run it again and no speech.   No error. 
> Comes up.
> My sighted father when I was up there said nothing showed as being
> wrong. Both computers I loaded it on did not work.  
> So I guess the question is any one have any idea why not?
> Should I get gnome 2.10 and get the source for gnopernicus and see if it
> works.  Is the version of festival that comes with debian to old for
> gnome-speech to use?  Speech dispatcher seems to work with it just fine.
> 
> Also how do I tell gnopernicus to use my dectalk software version 5?  
> Is there a manual out there that explains all this shit in plain simple
> tmers so I can get this working?
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

You ar not supposed to have a festival server running before you start
Gnome.  When I've tried using a festival server with (speech-dispatcher
ans an example), it will cause problems with Gnome and/or
speech-dispatcher.

          Kenny
	  
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:56:17AM +0200, Lutz Kaiser wrote:
> Hi Jim and list,
> 
> my thoughts:
> test festivall with festivall --tts any_file
> 
> Do you have started festival-server before running gnome ?
> 
> and last but not least, do you have a line in the /etc/festival.scm which
> looks like this?
> (set! server_access_list nil)
> 
> 
> 
> To allow access to your festivall-server?
> 
> 
> 
> i start gnome with "startx" and gnopernicus with /B -s
> 
> the parameter "/B" is neccessary because Gnopernicus doesnt work with brltty
> 3.4.....
> 
> 
> 
> On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything usefull in Applications like
> Abiword or open-office. I could n't find out why.
> 
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> Lutz
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[jim grimsby]

Hi, was afraid of this will try to build gnopernicus from cvs and see
what happens.  
Will also try to build gnome-speech from cvs also.  
If I need help I will let you know thanks a bunch. 
I by the way did  post this problem to the gnome list a while back and
did not get a respons. I always get a respons here so this is why I
posted this off topic thread sorry kerk! 
Thanks much. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:44 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


Hi.

We should probably take this to the gnome-accessibility list.

You probably want to build Gnopernicus and gnome-speech from source.
Debian's Gnopernicus is still at 0.9.  The current release is up to
0.10.7.  If you want braille support in Gnopernicus, you will need to
upgrade your Brltty.  The version in Debian is to old to work.

You will need to rebuild gnome-speech to get support for your DECtalk
software.  Also, the official gnome-speech package contains a program
called test-speech which isn't in Debian's package.  I've found
test-speech very helpful in figuring out problems.  Like it's name
suggests, it will let you test the speech servers available to
Gnopernicus.  Debian's festival isn't to old to work with Gnopernicus,
but Gnome-speech might not be working.

For Braille support, you will need to upgrade to at least Brltty 3.6.1
and get a file called ttybrl.c from the Brltty svn and replace the one
in the Gnopernicus source tree.

I'm using Gnome, but I built Gnopernicus, gnome-speech, and brltty from
source.  The rest of my Gnome is still Debian packages.

This stuff is only documented in archives of the gnome-accessibility
list, so it's not surprising you didn't find any info.  Contact me
privately if you want help building the packages from source in Debian.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:20:01AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi,
> Well I have been a good boy and have read everything I can find on
this
> subject.  But the fact of the matter is that everytime I install
> gnopernicus with debian I get nothing.  
> I install it using the apt-get install gnopernicus -y 
> Command
> It installs just fine.  Also it installs festival and I do a
> apt-show-versions on the dependencies  and they are all there.  
> So using gdm I log in to gnome.  
> Hit alt+f2 run gnopernicus the system beeps.  
> I enable access support.  Then I log out and log back in.
> Run it again and no speech.   No error. 
> Comes up.
> My sighted father when I was up there said nothing showed as being
> wrong. Both computers I loaded it on did not work.  
> So I guess the question is any one have any idea why not?
> Should I get gnome 2.10 and get the source for gnopernicus and see if
it
> works.  Is the version of festival that comes with debian to old for
> gnome-speech to use?  Speech dispatcher seems to work with it just
fine.
> 
> Also how do I tell gnopernicus to use my dectalk software version 5?
> Is there a manual out there that explains all this shit in plain
simple
> tmers so I can get this working?
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Past experience with CVS Gnopernicus has made me use source tarballs
instead.  I will only build Gnopernicus from CVS as a last resort.
Gnopernicus CVS gets broken to often.  This might have changed now, but
you should get good results using the 0.10.7 tarball of Gnopernicus from
the gnome.org ftp site.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 07:30:32AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi, was afraid of this will try to build gnopernicus from cvs and see
> what happens.  
> Will also try to build gnome-speech from cvs also.  
> If I need help I will let you know thanks a bunch. 
> I by the way did  post this problem to the gnome list a while back and
> did not get a respons. I always get a respons here so this is why I
> posted this off topic thread sorry kerk! 
> Thanks much. 
> 

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Sean McMahon]

Those are both java applications.  That's probably a quesition for the java
accessibility list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lutz Kaiser" <lutz.kaiser@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


> Hi Jim and list,
>
> my thoughts:
> test festivall with festivall --tts any_file
>
> Do you have started festival-server before running gnome ?
>
> and last but not least, do you have a line in the /etc/festival.scm which
> looks like this?
> (set! server_access_list nil)
>
>
>
> To allow access to your festivall-server?
>
>
>
> i start gnome with "startx" and gnopernicus with /B -s
>
> the parameter "/B" is neccessary because Gnopernicus doesnt work with brltty
> 3.4.....
>
>
>
> On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything usefull in Applications like
> Abiword or open-office. I could n't find out why.
>
>
>
> regards
>
> Lutz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Kenny Hitt]

Festival is a Java app?

You are joking, right?

For the record, I use Gnome daily and I have *NO* java support installed
on my system.

          Kenny
	  
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:26:32AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Those are both java applications.  That's probably a quesition for the java
> accessibility list.

RE: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[jim grimsby]

No he was referring to the following line!
> On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything useful in 
> Applications like Abiword or open-office. I could n't find out why.
The reason why is that you need the sun micro system java access bridge
in order to use java programs 
Hth 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:36 AM
To: Sean McMahon; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


Festival is a Java app?

You are joking, right?

For the record, I use Gnome daily and I have *NO* java support installed
on my system.

          Kenny
	  
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:26:32AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Those are both java applications.  That's probably a quesition for the

> java accessibility list.

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Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Lutz Kaiser]

Hi Jim and list,

thanks for your mail.
Firstly i wish you good success installing Gnopernicus. and i will try
installing this java-access Bridge too.

But i just serched for an application to write simple letters and other
textdocuments. Anything like wordpad.
Someone suggested emacs, but still i coudln't get it to work  with wrapping
words.

> No he was referring to the following line!
>> On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything  >> useful in
>> Applications like Abiword or open-office. I could n't >> find out why.
> The reason why is that you need the sun micro
> system     java access bridge in order to use java
> programs

regards
Lutz

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Janina Sajka]

The first time you launch emacs, it takes you through a tutorial that
shows you how to put emacs in text editing mode where lines are wrapped,
as opposed to a programmer's "don't wrap lines" mode.

Read the emacs docs. Go on line and find an emacs tutorial. 

Lutz Kaiser writes:
> Hi Jim and list,
> 
> thanks for your mail.
> Firstly i wish you good success installing Gnopernicus. and i will try
> installing this java-access Bridge too.
> 
> But i just serched for an application to write simple letters and other
> textdocuments. Anything like wordpad.
> Someone suggested emacs, but still i coudln't get it to work  with wrapping
> words.
> 
> > No he was referring to the following line!
> >> On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything  >> useful in
> >> Applications like Abiword or open-office. I could n't >> find out why.
> > The reason why is that you need the sun micro
> > system     java access bridge in order to use java
> > programs
> 
> regards
> Lutz
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Sean McMahon]

Info emacs is a good place to learn emacs.  Read the info tutorial to learn how
to use info.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Lutz Kaiser" <lutz.kaiser@gmx.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


> The first time you launch emacs, it takes you through a tutorial that
> shows you how to put emacs in text editing mode where lines are wrapped,
> as opposed to a programmer's "don't wrap lines" mode.
>
> Read the emacs docs. Go on line and find an emacs tutorial.
>
> Lutz Kaiser writes:
> > Hi Jim and list,
> >
> > thanks for your mail.
> > Firstly i wish you good success installing Gnopernicus. and i will try
> > installing this java-access Bridge too.
> >
> > But i just serched for an application to write simple letters and other
> > textdocuments. Anything like wordpad.
> > Someone suggested emacs, but still i coudln't get it to work  with wrapping
> > words.
> >
> > > No he was referring to the following line!
> > >> On my system, Gnopernicus does not say anything  >> useful in
> > >> Applications like Abiword or open-office. I could n't >> find out why.
> > > The reason why is that you need the sun micro
> > > system     java access bridge in order to use java
> > > programs
> >
> > regards
> > Lutz
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Lutz Kaiser]

Hi Janina , Sean and list,
many thanks,
This very first start was a very good hint! and yes , i do of course a 
reading of the manuals.

kind regards
Lutz!
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> Info emacs is a good place to learn emacs.  Read the info tutorial to learn how
> to use info.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Lutz Kaiser" <lutz.kaiser@gmx.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
> Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian
>
>
>> The first time you launch emacs, it takes you through a tutorial that
>> shows you how to put emacs in text editing mode where lines are wrapped,
>> as opposed to a programmer's "don't wrap lines" mode.
>>
>> Read the emacs docs. Go on line and find an emacs tutorial.
>>

RE: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[jim grimsby]

Hi,
If you need the tuter for emacs at any time press control h then control
t. 
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Lutz Kaiser
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:02 PM
To: Sean McMahon; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


Hi Janina , Sean and list,
many thanks,
This very first start was a very good hint! and yes , i do of course a 
reading of the manuals.

kind regards
Lutz!
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> Info emacs is a good place to learn emacs.  Read the info tutorial to 
> learn how to use info.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Lutz Kaiser" <lutz.kaiser@gmx.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian
>
>
>> The first time you launch emacs, it takes you through a tutorial that

>> shows you how to put emacs in text editing mode where lines are 
>> wrapped, as opposed to a programmer's "don't wrap lines" mode.
>>
>> Read the emacs docs. Go on line and find an emacs tutorial.
>>

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Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[BlindTech]

i'm having a problem starting gnome under debian sarg. i type startx and
nothing happens, i went and edited my .xsession file an downloaded both
gnome and gnopernicus through the apt-get install command. any hints??
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


Hi,
If you need the tuter for emacs at any time press control h then control
t.
Hth

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Lutz Kaiser
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:02 PM
To: Sean McMahon; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian


Hi Janina , Sean and list,
many thanks,
This very first start was a very good hint! and yes , i do of course a
reading of the manuals.

kind regards
Lutz!
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> Info emacs is a good place to learn emacs.  Read the info tutorial to
> learn how to use info.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Lutz Kaiser" <lutz.kaiser@gmx.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Off topic gnopernicus and debian
>
>
>> The first time you launch emacs, it takes you through a tutorial that

>> shows you how to put emacs in text editing mode where lines are
>> wrapped, as opposed to a programmer's "don't wrap lines" mode.
>>
>> Read the emacs docs. Go on line and find an emacs tutorial.
>>

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emacs was: RE: Off topic gnopernicus and debian

[Lutz Kaiser]

hi Jim and list,
many thanks for this shortcut.
the sequence to switch to text mode is as follows (in case anyone others 
is searching for) Esc+x text mode <return>

On Wed, 18 May 2005, jim grimsby wrote:

> Hi,
> If you need the tuter for emacs at any time press control h then control
> t.

regards
Lutz