Re: Links the chain

Re: Links the chain

[LARRY SKUTCHAN]

Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.

They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.  

>>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.

There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
pressing ALT + S, then S.

Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.

Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
JavaScript code. :)

Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.

I hope all this helps

Luke

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Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

Did your bank let you in? Or did it complain that you're using an old
browser and offer to help you download something more modern?

I ask, because this frequently comes up with banks. It's the mis-use of
http headers that has been the subject today. What you can do is to tell
a little lie--though we call it masquerading. You "Masquerade" as IE
with a string like one of the following 3:

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)

Each of these three examples ould go on one line, of course.

LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.
> 
> They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.  
> 
> >>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> > some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> > developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> > friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
> 
> There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
> menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
> boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
> Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
> For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
> then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
> option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
> pressing ALT + S, then S.
> 
> Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
> have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
> fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
> don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.
> 
> Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
> different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
> all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
> use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
> JavaScript code. :)
> 
> Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
> where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.
> 
> I hope all this helps
> 
> Luke
> 
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Re: Links the chain

[Richard Wells]

Hi Janina,

Where do you put these strings?

Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Links the chain


Did your bank let you in? Or did it complain that you're using an old
browser and offer to help you download something more modern?

I ask, because this frequently comes up with banks. It's the mis-use of
http headers that has been the subject today. What you can do is to tell
a little lie--though we call it masquerading. You "Masquerade" as IE
with a string like one of the following 3:

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)

Each of these three examples ould go on one line, of course.

LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain 
> supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the 
> latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto 
> my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.
>
> They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.
>
> >>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> > some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> > developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> > friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
>
> There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
> menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
> boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
> Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
> For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
> then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
> option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
> pressing ALT + S, then S.
>
> Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
> have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
> fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
> don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.
>
> Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
> different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
> all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
> use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
> JavaScript code. :)
>
> Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
> where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.
>
> I hope all this helps
>
> Luke
>
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>
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janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040


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Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

You choose only one and put it in the user agent field. It's called
"user agent header" in the cat's options menu. I forget where it goes in
links because I don't use that one with masquerading yet.

Richard Wells writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> Where do you put these strings?
> 
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Links the chain
> 
> 
> Did your bank let you in? Or did it complain that you're using an old
> browser and offer to help you download something more modern?
> 
> I ask, because this frequently comes up with banks. It's the mis-use of
> http headers that has been the subject today. What you can do is to tell
> a little lie--though we call it masquerading. You "Masquerade" as IE
> with a string like one of the following 3:
> 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
> 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
> .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
> 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)
> 
> Each of these three examples ould go on one line, of course.
> 
> LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> > Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain 
> > supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the 
> > latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto 
> > my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.
> >
> > They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.
> >
> > >>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> > > some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> > > developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> > > friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
> >
> > There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
> > menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
> > boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
> > Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
> > For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
> > then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
> > option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
> > pressing ALT + S, then S.
> >
> > Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
> > have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
> > fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
> > don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.
> >
> > Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
> > different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
> > all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
> > use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
> > JavaScript code. :)
> >
> > Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
> > where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.
> >
> > I hope all this helps
> >
> > Luke
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
> 
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				Accessibility Workgroup
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Re: Links the chain

[Sean McMahon]

Someone last week said you can select the braille option under the terminal
options menu.  I don't see that option for links the chain.  I only see options
relating to frames.  I also can't navigate with links the chain.  arrows and tab
do not move throught links on a webpage.  What do I have that's so messed up
here?Is there a special version of links I should be looking for because this
thing doesn't work atall.
Sean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@bupster.cjb.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Links the chain


> Hi Janina,
>
> Where do you put these strings?
>
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Links the chain
>
>
> Did your bank let you in? Or did it complain that you're using an old
> browser and offer to help you download something more modern?
>
> I ask, because this frequently comes up with banks. It's the mis-use of
> http headers that has been the subject today. What you can do is to tell
> a little lie--though we call it masquerading. You "Masquerade" as IE
> with a string like one of the following 3:
>
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
>
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
> .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
>
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)
>
> Each of these three examples ould go on one line, of course.
>
> LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> > Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain
> > supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the
> > latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto
> > my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.
> >
> > They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.
> >
> > >>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> > > some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> > > developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> > > friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
> >
> > There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
> > menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
> > boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
> > Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
> > For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
> > then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
> > option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
> > pressing ALT + S, then S.
> >
> > Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
> > have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
> > fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
> > don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.
> >
> > Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
> > different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
> > all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
> > use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
> > JavaScript code. :)
> >
> > Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
> > where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.
> >
> > I hope all this helps
> >
> > Luke
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
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Re: Links the chain

[Steve Holmes]

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Yes, you need the latest version - 2.1pre15.  I ran into this exact
same problem while using 2.1pre11 so went out and got pre15 and that
options is there and is mentioned in the documented change history.

I still have a bunch of javascript problems though so wonder if it is
still a waste of time for my concerns.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:02:16AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Someone last week said you can select the braille option under the terminal
> options menu.  I don't see that option for links the chain.  I only see options
> relating to frames.  I also can't navigate with links the chain.  arrows and tab
> do not move throught links on a webpage.  What do I have that's so messed up
> here?Is there a special version of links I should be looking for because this
> thing doesn't work atall.
> Sean

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Re: Links the chain

[LARRY SKUTCHAN]

Actually, it did a strange thing.  It told me the url did not exist.

>>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:57:19 PM >>>
Did your bank let you in? Or did it complain that you're using an old
browser and offer to help you download something more modern?

I ask, because this frequently comes up with banks. It's the mis-use of
http headers that has been the subject today. What you can do is to tell
a little lie--though we call it masquerading. You "Masquerade" as IE
with a string like one of the following 3:

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)

Each of these three examples ould go on one line, of course.

LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.
> 
> They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.  
> 
> >>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> > some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> > developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> > friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
> 
> There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
> menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
> boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
> Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
> For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
> then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
> option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
> pressing ALT + S, then S.
> 
> Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
> have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
> fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
> don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.
> 
> Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
> different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
> all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
> use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
> JavaScript code. :)
> 
> Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
> where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.
> 
> I hope all this helps
> 
> Luke
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
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Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

Wow, Larry. Very strange indeed.

I don't know the answer but would suggest that the cat has a great trace
feature built in -- the '-trace' option. Not sure whether something
similar is available via the chain, but we do have the generic tcpdump
option which should be helpful isolating this if you want to pursue it.

One can write very elaborate rules for tcpdump. It's one of the more
powerful debugging tools around.

Just a suggestion.

LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> Actually, it did a strange thing.  It told me the url did not exist.
> 
> >>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:57:19 PM >>>
> Did your bank let you in? Or did it complain that you're using an old
> browser and offer to help you download something more modern?
> 
> I ask, because this frequently comes up with banks. It's the mis-use of
> http headers that has been the subject today. What you can do is to tell
> a little lie--though we call it masquerading. You "Masquerade" as IE
> with a string like one of the following 3:
> 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
> 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
> .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
> 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)
> 
> Each of these three examples ould go on one line, of course.
> 
> LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> > Thanks, yes all this helps very much.  When I saw that Links the chain supported Java script, I tried it, and no go.  But, when I downloaded the latest version, I found that it did, although it still did not get me onto my banking site properly.  I will have to play with that a little more.
> > 
> > They both seem to be very slick and responsive programs.  
> > 
> > >>> themuso@themuso.com Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28:13 AM >>>
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> > > some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> > > developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> > > friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
> > 
> > There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
> > menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
> > boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
> > Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
> > For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
> > then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
> > option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
> > pressing ALT + S, then S.
> > 
> > Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
> > have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
> > fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
> > don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.
> > 
> > Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
> > different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
> > all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
> > use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
> > JavaScript code. :)
> > 
> > Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
> > where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.
> > 
> > I hope all this helps
> > 
> > Luke
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
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Re: Links the chain

[LARRY SKUTCHAN]

Speaking of Lynx and Links, can some of you experts discuss what the advantages and disadvantages are of each of them.  As a newbie, they seem pretty darn similar to me.  I have also noticed that W3m looks pretty good, and it has the cool feature of letting you use the arrow keys to navigate the document.  (It uses Tab to move from link to link.)

Thanks.


>>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:23:16 AM >>>
Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.

Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.

Sorry.

Luke Yelavich writes:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> > Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> > chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> > have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> > way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> > Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> 
> Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
> options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
> options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
> type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
> the last options in this window.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Luke
> 
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Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

Hey, Larry: Welcome to the Speakup list! How delightful to see you here.
Do you find Speakup hauntingly familiar? I'd say that was a good thing,
myself! <grin>

As for differences between the cat and the chain ...

At this point I'm not sure there is much. I still use the cat, but
probably because I've used it for years and it works very well in most
situations.

Both of them require appropriate configuration settings to be blind
friendly. But, once you do that, they can appear and act very much the
same as it seems you've discovered.

Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.

Perhaps the biggest difference is that the chain is in active
development and the cat is not--with the possible exception of one local
effort.




LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> Speaking of Lynx and Links, can some of you experts discuss what the advantages and disadvantages are of each of them.  As a newbie, they seem pretty darn similar to me.  I have also noticed that W3m looks pretty good, and it has the cool feature of letting you use the arrow keys to navigate the document.  (It uses Tab to move from link to link.)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> >>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:23:16 AM >>>
> Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.
> 
> Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> Luke Yelavich writes:
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> > > chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> > > have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> > > way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> > > Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> > 
> > Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
> > options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
> > options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
> > type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
> > the last options in this window.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Luke
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 				Accessibility Workgroup
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> 
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> 
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Re: Links the chain

[Ryan Mann]

Also, Links the chain supports some Javascript.


On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hey, Larry: Welcome to the Speakup list! How delightful to see you here.
> Do you find Speakup hauntingly familiar? I'd say that was a good thing,
> myself! <grin>
> 
> As for differences between the cat and the chain ...
> 
> At this point I'm not sure there is much. I still use the cat, but
> probably because I've used it for years and it works very well in most
> situations.
> 
> Both of them require appropriate configuration settings to be blind
> friendly. But, once you do that, they can appear and act very much the
> same as it seems you've discovered.
> 
> Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.
> 
> Perhaps the biggest difference is that the chain is in active
> development and the cat is not--with the possible exception of one local
> effort.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> LARRY SKUTCHAN writes:
> > Speaking of Lynx and Links, can some of you experts discuss what the advantages and disadvantages are of each of them.  As a newbie, they seem pretty darn similar to me.  I have also noticed that W3m looks pretty good, and it has the cool feature of letting you use the arrow keys to navigate the document.  (It uses Tab to move from link to link.)
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > >>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:23:16 AM >>>
> > Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.
> > 
> > Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.
> > 
> > Sorry.
> > 
> > Luke Yelavich writes:
> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> > > > Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> > > > chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> > > > have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> > > > way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> > > > Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
> > > options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
> > > options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
> > > type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
> > > the last options in this window.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > 
> > > Luke
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > 
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> > 				Accessibility Workgroup
> > 				Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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Re: Links the chain

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:56:34PM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Perhaps someone who's used the chain more than I have can expostulate on
> some of the subtelties. But my bottom line is that the chain's
> developers have done a pretty good job of adding the kind of blind
> friendly functionality that has proven so valuable.

There are a few differences indeed. For a start, links the chain has a
menu-like system for controlling options etc, which appear in dialog
boxes. However, this interface is simplified a lot if one turns on the
Braille Terminal mode from the terminal options in the settings menu.
For those who want to know how to turn it on, load links, press ALT + S,
then T. Press the up arrow 3 times, and press the space bar to check the
option. Then simply press enter. Don't forget to save your options by
pressing ALT + S, then S.

Links the chain supports both frames and tables, although I personally
have these turned off, since I am used to reading pages in a linear
fashion, although this doesn't always help with data tables, but since I
don't really have to read any of these, there is no big deal.

Links the chain supports JavaScript. Note that JavaScript is very much
different to Java, which is in fact not supported by ANY text browser at
all. This is helpful for some dynamic content sites that implement the
use of JavaScript a lot, however I have found a few bugs in the links
JavaScript code. :)

Links the chain does not have very good cookie support however. This is
where I need to use lynx the cat for such sites.

I hope all this helps

Luke

Re: Links the chain

[Karen Lewellen]

Greetings larry,
  I too bid you welcome to the list.  I offer this difference  hoping that 
others will either confirm  or explain this fact.  I use a Linux shell 
that  has both the cat and the chain,  and given that some here have said 
that they should work almost exactly the same suspect that all that could 
be done to  the chain has perhaps not been done.  Still the main difference 
is the in  the chain edition one can access java sites, or can do some in 
a way.  I do come across some that do not budge regardless, but again this 
may be a configuration factor.
I am told that the cat even with ssl enabled now does not or <cannot?> 
have java incorporated because no one wants to take the time.    or better 
that it would take too much time to re-vamp the code for this.  I  am only 
sharing what I have been told, and would love to hear otherwise Given the 
popularity of the cat,  adding this feature would be  a wonderful thing, 
as even those  who might not seek it out on their own, using IE or 
Netscape know of the cat and think it far more limiting     than it 
actually is in 
real use.
   The chain is not as well known.
looking forward to the wisdom on this.
Karen

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:

> Speaking of Lynx and Links, can some of you experts discuss what the advantages and disadvantages are of each of them.  As a newbie, they seem pretty darn similar to me.  I have also noticed that W3m looks pretty good, and it has the cool feature of letting you use the arrow keys to navigate the document.  (It uses Tab to move from link to link.)
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>>>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:23:16 AM >>>
> Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.
>
> Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Luke Yelavich writes:
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the
>>> chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to
>>> have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a
>>> way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website.
>>> Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
>>
>> Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
>> options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
>> options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
>> type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
>> the last options in this window.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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> 				Accessibility Workgroup
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>
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Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

Slight correction, Karen. It's not java sites we access with the chain,
but javascript sites.

Unfortunately, these two are not the same thing. Ten years ago Netscape
saw fit to start using the term "javascript" for their scripting
language. This was in the early days of Sun Microsystems promotion of
Java. Seems they wanted the glitz to rub off on Netscape. Ever since
we've had to explain this difference away.

Karen Lewellen writes:
> Greetings larry,
>  I too bid you welcome to the list.  I offer this difference  hoping that 
> others will either confirm  or explain this fact.  I use a Linux shell 
> that  has both the cat and the chain,  and given that some here have said 
> that they should work almost exactly the same suspect that all that could 
> be done to  the chain has perhaps not been done.  Still the main difference 
> is the in  the chain edition one can access java sites, or can do some in 
> a way.  I do come across some that do not budge regardless, but again this 
> may be a configuration factor.
> I am told that the cat even with ssl enabled now does not or <cannot?> 
> have java incorporated because no one wants to take the time.    or better 
> that it would take too much time to re-vamp the code for this.  I  am only 
> sharing what I have been told, and would love to hear otherwise Given the 
> popularity of the cat,  adding this feature would be  a wonderful thing, 
> as even those  who might not seek it out on their own, using IE or 
> Netscape know of the cat and think it far more limiting     than it 
> actually is in 
> real use.
>   The chain is not as well known.
> looking forward to the wisdom on this.
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:
> 
> >Speaking of Lynx and Links, can some of you experts discuss what the 
> >advantages and disadvantages are of each of them.  As a newbie, they seem 
> >pretty darn similar to me.  I have also noticed that W3m looks pretty 
> >good, and it has the cool feature of letting you use the arrow keys to 
> >navigate the document.  (It uses Tab to move from link to link.)
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >
> >>>>janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:23:16 AM >>>
> >Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.
> >
> >Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.
> >
> >Sorry.
> >
> >Luke Yelavich writes:
> >>On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> >>>Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the
> >>>chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like 
> >>>to
> >>>have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a
> >>>way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the 
> >>>website.
> >>>Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> >>
> >>Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
> >>options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
> >>options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
> >>type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
> >>the last options in this window.
> >>
> >>Hope this helps.
> >>
> >>Luke
> >>
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> >
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> >
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Re: Links the chain

[Gregory Nowak]

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In fact, I recall hearing that there was legal action by Sun Micro
Systems against Netscape, to make them rename java script, but I guess
it must have failed, or what I heard was wrong.

Greg


On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 12:35:22PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Slight correction, Karen. It's not java sites we access with the chain,
> but javascript sites.
> 
> Unfortunately, these two are not the same thing. Ten years ago Netscape
> saw fit to start using the term "javascript" for their scripting
> language. This was in the early days of Sun Microsystems promotion of
> Java. Seems they wanted the glitz to rub off on Netscape. Ever since
> we've had to explain this difference away.
> 

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Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

My memory is hazy on that, Gregg, but I think they eventually discovered
they had more in to gain fro cooperation.

I do, however, want to suggest something to everyone. If you try to use
a hyprelink and it won't work in the cat, Take at look at it with
the capital E command. Here's an example I just came across on the
Montgomery County web site. This is for a url to take you to the U.S.
Government's web pages:

javascript:openScript('/redirect.asp?redirect=http://www.firstgov.gov',650,450)

To my mind it's an outstanding example of bad coding practice. What's
the point? HTML already provides a perfectly usable hyperlinking
feature. In fact, the above syntax only wraps the inherent HTML
functionality.

So, what's the tip? You can edit off the extra junk and get a perfectly
usable link. Or, you can just use the Speakup clipboard to grab the href
and go there directly with the g command.

Gregory Nowak writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> In fact, I recall hearing that there was legal action by Sun Micro
> Systems against Netscape, to make them rename java script, but I guess
> it must have failed, or what I heard was wrong.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 12:35:22PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Slight correction, Karen. It's not java sites we access with the chain,
> > but javascript sites.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, these two are not the same thing. Ten years ago Netscape
> > saw fit to start using the term "javascript" for their scripting
> > language. This was in the early days of Sun Microsystems promotion of
> > Java. Seems they wanted the glitz to rub off on Netscape. Ever since
> > we've had to explain this difference away.

Re: Links the chain

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Links (the chain) has a confusing history.  The links2.1 program
most people mean when they say "links" is a program based on another
program called links.  the origional links was written by a Check
physicist for his personal use.  I believe the latest version is still
at 0.99.  The links 2.1 program most people use was based on the
origional links and branched off at links 0.97.  Links 2.1 has
javascript support, but it was written from scratch and doesn't
implement the latest official standard for javascript.  Also, since the
origional links didn't have all the features needed in a modern browser,
it will run into problems on javascript sites even if it's javascript
works corectly.  Links 0.97 didn't have support for cookies, http
authorization, and did other things to hide data from sites you visit
with it.  The site for links 0.99 is:

http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/vyplody/links/

To add to the confusion, there is another child of the origional links
browser.  This one is called elinks.  Elinks has changed the most from
the origional links code.  It started because the developer of elinks
submited patches to add features to the origional links.  The developer
of the origional links wasn't interested in them, so the elinks
developer started his own browser based on the origional source.
Javascript support is just now being added to elinks.  The developers
wanted to wait until the had DOM and CSS support in elinks before
starting to add javascript support.  The javascript support in elinks
usees the spidermonkey javascript interpreter.  Links 2.1 uses an
interpreter written from scratch.  This makes it hard to maintain or
modify.  The javascript support in elinks is still in early development,
so you might get better results on javascript sites with links 2.1.  It will
depend on whether the site uses other things not supported by links 2.1.
The developer of links 2.1 seems more interested in adding graphic
features than updating the javascript, so I believe elinks will turn out
to be the best console browser.  The web site for elinks is:

http://elinks.or.cz

Lynx (the cat) doesn't seem to be geting the same amount of development
as elinks.  It might be posible to add javascript support to it, but the
official developers don't seem to be interested.
Personally, I use either elinks or lynx (the cat).  Elinks has features
I don't find in other console browsers.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:38:07AM -0400, LARRY SKUTCHAN wrote:
> Speaking of Lynx and Links, can some of you experts discuss what the advantages and disadvantages are of each of them.  As a newbie, they seem pretty darn similar to me.  I have also noticed that W3m looks pretty good, and it has the cool feature of letting you use the arrow keys to navigate the document.  (It uses Tab to move from link to link.)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> >>> janina@rednote.net Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:23:16 AM >>>
> Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.
> 
> Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> Luke Yelavich writes:
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> > > chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> > > have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> > > way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> > > Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> > 
> > Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
> > options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
> > options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
> > type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
> > the last options in this window.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Luke
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
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> 	
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> 				Accessibility Workgroup
> 				Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
> 
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Links the chain

[Leslie Fairall]

Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.

Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

The email message below appeared on a different blind users list than
where you've recently posted your suggestions for key bindings in links.
I've sent this message to blinux as well because that's where you
posted.

While the message below isn't about key bindings, it does request an
important feature that is present in lynx (the cat), and missing in
links (the chain). I'm forwarding it on to you as a use case and a user
requirement in the expectation that's it's a fairly simple thing to
implement.

Regretably many web sites that ignore the W3C's markup guidance in
support of accessibility also abuse the user agent data provided by the
http header. It would be very helpful if links (the chain) could provide
the workaround already available in lynx (the cat).

I would very much like to hear your thoughts on this request.

Leslie Fairall writes:
> Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

Oops. I forgot to put a "Dear Nigel" at the top. Sorry for that
confusion.

Janina Sajka writes:
> The email message below appeared on a different blind users list than
> where you've recently posted your suggestions for key bindings in links.
> I've sent this message to blinux as well because that's where you
> posted.
> 
> While the message below isn't about key bindings, it does request an
> important feature that is present in lynx (the cat), and missing in
> links (the chain). I'm forwarding it on to you as a use case and a user
> requirement in the expectation that's it's a fairly simple thing to
> implement.
> 
> Regretably many web sites that ignore the W3C's markup guidance in
> support of accessibility also abuse the user agent data provided by the
> http header. It would be very helpful if links (the chain) could provide
> the workaround already available in lynx (the cat).
> 
> I would very much like to hear your thoughts on this request.
> 
> Leslie Fairall writes:
> > Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> > chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> > have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> > way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> > Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Chair
> 				Accessibility Workgroup
> 				Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Links the chain

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.

Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
the last options in this window.

Hope this helps.

Luke

Re: Links the chain

[Janina Sajka]

Oops. I totaly missed seeing that.

Guess I need another pot of coffee this morning.

Sorry.

Luke Yelavich writes:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:10:54PM EST, Leslie Fairall wrote:
> > Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the 
> > chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to 
> > have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a 
> > way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website. 
> > Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
> 
> Yes you can do this. Go into the settings menu, and choose the network
> options. A quick way is simply to press ALT + S, then N. Find the HTTP
> options, and press enter on it. In there, there is a field that you can
> type in a different user agent. It is called fake user agent, and one of
> the last options in this window.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Luke
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Links the chain

[Sean McMahon]

I can't answer this but have a question of my own for links the chain.  How do
you work the menu to change options and so forth.  When I press the escape to
make it come up, I hear the name of the menus but can't use my arros to get into
them.
Sean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie Fairall" <fairall@ns.shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:10 AM
Subject: Links the chain


> Does anyone know if you can change the user-agent string in links the
> chain? I use the cat with Bank of America by doing this, but would like to
> have access to some features that require Javascript. I wish there was a
> way where I could save the user-agent string whenever I go to the website.
> Does anyone else do the same thing? Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup