Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Steve Holmes]

OK, I did some debugging and found our a bit more information when
trying to select voices for Cepstral using Speech Dispatcher.  It seems
that Speech Dispatcher is ignoring the keyword FEMAIL1 If I put Callie's
name in the AddSpeech line in my cepstral-generic.conf line for FALE1,
then Callie's voice comes up instead of David as originally configured.
The synth command line shows this.  The wierd thing though, if I use the
spd-say command, it always respects the proper voice selection using the
DEFAULTVOICE option from speechd.conf and the modules file.  So I
thought maybe there's a problem with speechd-up but I get the same
problem when trying speechd-el for emacs so that would leave out
speechd-up.  So the fingers are now pointing at Speech Dispatcher.  Are
there any other ideas on what I could look for or is there a bug in the
voice selection logic for Dispatcher?

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Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Tomas Cerha]

Steve Holmes napsal(a):
> I use the spd-say command, it always respects the proper voice selection using the
> DEFAULTVOICE option from speechd.conf and the modules file.  So I
> thought maybe there's a problem with speechd-up but I get the same
> problem when trying speechd-el for emacs so that would leave out
> speechd-up.

There is still a chance, that both speechd-up and speechd-el perform
default voice selection according to their own setup and ignore Speech
Dispatcher's default voice.

You can verify that if you turn on "protocol" logging in your Speech
Dispatcher configuration (CustomLogFile "protocol" "/var/log/...").

In speechd-el the default voice can be customized.  I'm not sure for
speechd-up.

Best regards, Tomas.

Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Steve Holmes]

Oh, you mean these programs may be using SSML to specify the default
voice?  Thanks for the protocol debugging trick; I'll have to give that
a try tonight.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 04:10:34PM +0100, Tomas Cerha wrote:
> Steve Holmes napsal(a):
> > I use the spd-say command, it always respects the proper voice selection using the
> > DEFAULTVOICE option from speechd.conf and the modules file.  So I
> > thought maybe there's a problem with speechd-up but I get the same
> > problem when trying speechd-el for emacs so that would leave out
> > speechd-up.
> 
> There is still a chance, that both speechd-up and speechd-el perform
> default voice selection according to their own setup and ignore Speech
> Dispatcher's default voice.
> 
> You can verify that if you turn on "protocol" logging in your Speech
> Dispatcher configuration (CustomLogFile "protocol" "/var/log/...").
> 
> In speechd-el the default voice can be customized.  I'm not sure for
> speechd-up.
> 
> Best regards, Tomas.
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Tomas Cerha]

Steve Holmes wrote:
> Oh, you mean these programs may be using SSML to specify the default
> voice?

Not really SSML, just regular Speech Dispatcher commands, but that
should not matter, of course...

To solve your problem right now, you have two options:

  * configure both speechd-up and speechd-el to use FEMALE1 as the
    default voice
  * configure the cepstral module to use Callie as MALE1

The later is a nasty hack, of course!

The ideal solution would be to request an enhancement in both pieces of
software to respect Speech Dispatchers default voice setting.

Best regards, Tomas.

Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks for the additional suggestions.  Actually, I did the "Major hack"
as a tempererary measure while I figure things out.  Yes, the progocol
logging test reveals that speechd-up is setting the voice explicitly to
to "MALE1" so there's my answer:).  I think speechd-up is small enough
that I can get in there and possibly add another command line option
that would allow users to specify on the fly and if left blank, use
whatever speech-dispatcher is defaulting to.  This should be easy enough
a fix.  I'll have to figure out how to change the default in speechd-el
and perhaps modify that one too to not hard code any default.  Like you
say, let speech-dispatcher do the defaulting.

Thanks again for the tips and direction.

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 07:56:23AM +0100, Tomas Cerha wrote:
> Steve Holmes wrote:
> > Oh, you mean these programs may be using SSML to specify the default
> > voice?
> 
> Not really SSML, just regular Speech Dispatcher commands, but that
> should not matter, of course...
> 
> To solve your problem right now, you have two options:
> 
>   * configure both speechd-up and speechd-el to use FEMALE1 as the
>     default voice
>   * configure the cepstral module to use Callie as MALE1
> 
> The later is a nasty hack, of course!
> 
> The ideal solution would be to request an enhancement in both pieces of
> software to respect Speech Dispatchers default voice setting.
> 
> Best regards, Tomas.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Michael Whapples]

For speechd-up you can change the voice by changing the speakup voice, 
FEMALE1 I think is voice 3.

From
Michael Whapples
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral


> Thanks for the additional suggestions.  Actually, I did the "Major hack"
> as a tempererary measure while I figure things out.  Yes, the progocol
> logging test reveals that speechd-up is setting the voice explicitly to
> to "MALE1" so there's my answer:).  I think speechd-up is small enough
> that I can get in there and possibly add another command line option
> that would allow users to specify on the fly and if left blank, use
> whatever speech-dispatcher is defaulting to.  This should be easy enough
> a fix.  I'll have to figure out how to change the default in speechd-el
> and perhaps modify that one too to not hard code any default.  Like you
> say, let speech-dispatcher do the defaulting.
>
> Thanks again for the tips and direction.
>
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 07:56:23AM +0100, Tomas Cerha wrote:
>> Steve Holmes wrote:
>> > Oh, you mean these programs may be using SSML to specify the default
>> > voice?
>>
>> Not really SSML, just regular Speech Dispatcher commands, but that
>> should not matter, of course...
>>
>> To solve your problem right now, you have two options:
>>
>>   * configure both speechd-up and speechd-el to use FEMALE1 as the
>>     default voice
>>   * configure the cepstral module to use Callie as MALE1
>>
>> The later is a nasty hack, of course!
>>
>> The ideal solution would be to request an enhancement in both pieces of
>> software to respect Speech Dispatchers default voice setting.
>>
>> Best regards, Tomas.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://holmesgrown.ld.net/
>
>
> 

Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Steve Holmes]

What proc/speakup parameter is used for Voice? is it tone? When I list
the proc/speakup directory, there's no voice value present.  If tone
does it, I wouldn't need to do anything with speechd-up but maybe
document something some place.

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:24:06PM -0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> For speechd-up you can change the voice by changing the speakup voice, 
> FEMALE1 I think is voice 3.
> 
> From
> Michael Whapples
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the additional suggestions.  Actually, I did the "Major hack"
> > as a tempererary measure while I figure things out.  Yes, the progocol
> > logging test reveals that speechd-up is setting the voice explicitly to
> > to "MALE1" so there's my answer:).  I think speechd-up is small enough
> > that I can get in there and possibly add another command line option
> > that would allow users to specify on the fly and if left blank, use
> > whatever speech-dispatcher is defaulting to.  This should be easy enough
> > a fix.  I'll have to figure out how to change the default in speechd-el
> > and perhaps modify that one too to not hard code any default.  Like you
> > say, let speech-dispatcher do the defaulting.
> >
> > Thanks again for the tips and direction.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 07:56:23AM +0100, Tomas Cerha wrote:
> >> Steve Holmes wrote:
> >> > Oh, you mean these programs may be using SSML to specify the default
> >> > voice?
> >>
> >> Not really SSML, just regular Speech Dispatcher commands, but that
> >> should not matter, of course...
> >>
> >> To solve your problem right now, you have two options:
> >>
> >>   * configure both speechd-up and speechd-el to use FEMALE1 as the
> >>     default voice
> >>   * configure the cepstral module to use Callie as MALE1
> >>
> >> The later is a nasty hack, of course!
> >>
> >> The ideal solution would be to request an enhancement in both pieces of
> >> software to respect Speech Dispatchers default voice setting.
> >>
> >> Best regards, Tomas.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

/proc/speakup/voice is the file that controls the voice.  If you don't
have it, something is wrong with your speakup.

          Kenny

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 12:12:47PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> What proc/speakup parameter is used for Voice? is it tone? When I list
> the proc/speakup directory, there's no voice value present.  If tone
> does it, I wouldn't need to do anything with speechd-up but maybe
> document something some place.
> 

Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Steve Holmes]

I wonder if it was added after my version of Speakup.  The one I'm
currently using is dated May 1, 2006 out of CVS and it does not have
proc/speakup/voice.  This is with a 2.6.16 something kernel.  My
2.6.19.2 kernel panics on shutdown right now so had to fall back to this
older version until I figure out my problem.  Was voice added at a later
time?

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:21:01PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> /proc/speakup/voice is the file that controls the voice.  If you don't
> have it, something is wrong with your speakup.
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 12:12:47PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > What proc/speakup parameter is used for Voice? is it tone? When I list
> > the proc/speakup directory, there's no voice value present.  If tone
> > does it, I wouldn't need to do anything with speechd-up but maybe
> > document something some place.
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

No, voice has been around since atleast early 2.4 kernels.  I can't
remember what year it was added, but it has been around in speakup for
years.

          Kenny

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:29:38PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> I wonder if it was added after my version of Speakup.  The one I'm
> currently using is dated May 1, 2006 out of CVS and it does not have
> proc/speakup/voice.  This is with a 2.6.16 something kernel.  My
> 2.6.19.2 kernel panics on shutdown right now so had to fall back to this
> older version until I figure out my problem.  Was voice added at a later
> time?
> 
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:21:01PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > /proc/speakup/voice is the file that controls the voice.  If you don't
> > have it, something is wrong with your speakup.
> > 
> >           Kenny
> > 
> > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 12:12:47PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > What proc/speakup parameter is used for Voice? is it tone? When I list
> > > the proc/speakup directory, there's no voice value present.  If tone
> > > does it, I wouldn't need to do anything with speechd-up but maybe
> > > document something some place.
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> 
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OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
I am wondering if any of you have dealt with some companies you especially 
like for buying computer hardware?  full systems, bare bones  kits etc?
There are certainly a lot of these, so I thought I would seek suggestions. 
Think in terms of building the best non-windows speech set up possible.
Thanks,
Karen

Re: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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I just bought an AMD64 system minus drives and case from
http://www.zipzoomfly.com
They offer free 5-7 business day shipping on all their products and if
you want 2-day shipping, the price is extremely low.  The prices of the
products themselves are also quite reasonable.  They beat my local
computer store by over $50 and I actually got a faster processor and
faster memory.

The caveat is that I had to use Firefox with the little accessibility it
provides to build and save the shopping cart and links (chain) to
checkout with the saved shopping cart.  Links can be used to creat your
user account so that you can save shopping carts as well.  There's just
a little problem with adding items using links.  Perhaps this can be
fixed, but I haven't sent them any mail about this, simply because I
have found that most webmasters don't have a clue what I'm talking about
when I say I use Links to view their page and can't figure out why I
don't use Firefox or, heaven forbid, Internet Explorer.

HTH,
Lorenzo
- -- 
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- --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment)
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Re: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:42:21AM EST, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
> The caveat is that I had to use Firefox with the little accessibility it
> provides to build and save the shopping cart and links (chain) to
> checkout with the saved shopping cart.  Links can be used to creat your
> user account so that you can save shopping carts as well.  There's just
> a little problem with adding items using links.  Perhaps this can be
> fixed, but I haven't sent them any mail about this, simply because I
> have found that most webmasters don't have a clue what I'm talking about
> when I say I use Links to view their page and can't figure out why I
> don't use Firefox or, heaven forbid, Internet Explorer.

Have you tried using elinks with it? I gave up on lynx/links ages ago, 
once I discovered elinks.
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RE: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Sina Bahram]

I am quite partial to newegg.com for parts

But, pricewatch.com will usually yield the best prices, and then you can
drill down further if you want to spend some time looking for a better deal.

Take care,
Sina
 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:21 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

Hi all,
I am wondering if any of you have dealt with some companies you especially
like for buying computer hardware?  full systems, bare bones  kits etc?
There are certainly a lot of these, so I thought I would seek suggestions. 
Think in terms of building the best non-windows speech set up possible.
Thanks,
Karen


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RE: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Sina Bahram]

Oh, I forgot:

Also try zipzoomfly.com for memory.

Take care,
Sina 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:21 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

Hi all,
I am wondering if any of you have dealt with some companies you especially
like for buying computer hardware?  full systems, bare bones  kits etc?
There are certainly a lot of these, so I thought I would seek suggestions. 
Think in terms of building the best non-windows speech set up possible.
Thanks,
Karen


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Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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No, I hadn't tried elinks yet, since the one in Ubuntu doesn't have
Javascript support to my knowledge, and I have forgotten where to get
the source.

Thanks for the suggestion,
Lorenzo
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Re: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Glenn Ervin]

I like buy.com.
http://www.buy.com/
Some of the best prices, and most of their stuff qualifies for free 
shipping.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?


Hi all,
I am wondering if any of you have dealt with some companies you especially
like for buying computer hardware?  full systems, bare bones  kits etc?
There are certainly a lot of these, so I thought I would seek suggestions.
Think in terms of building the best non-windows speech set up possible.
Thanks,
Karen


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Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: OT: perhaps, good sources for hardware?

[Karen Lewellen]

I have had good success with e-links too, but Ken took it off of 
shellworld I believe?
Have not checked in a while though.
Karen

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Luke Yelavich wrote:

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> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:42:21AM EST, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
>> The caveat is that I had to use Firefox with the little accessibility it
>> provides to build and save the shopping cart and links (chain) to
>> checkout with the saved shopping cart.  Links can be used to creat your
>> user account so that you can save shopping carts as well.  There's just
>> a little problem with adding items using links.  Perhaps this can be
>> fixed, but I haven't sent them any mail about this, simply because I
>> have found that most webmasters don't have a clue what I'm talking about
>> when I say I use Links to view their page and can't figure out why I
>> don't use Firefox or, heaven forbid, Internet Explorer.
>
> Have you tried using elinks with it? I gave up on lynx/links ages ago,
> once I discovered elinks.
> - --
> Luke Yelavich
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Re: Speech Dispatcher and Cepstral

[Steve Holmes]

I see what is going on here.  The voice proc entry only appears with
some synth choices.  When I looked before, I had my serial Speakout
connected and no voice parm; when I switched to sftsyn, then the voice
parm appeared and it was 0.  I echoed 3 to it and Callie came on sexxy
as ever.  So I'll be moving on to get the other speech parameters
working for Cepstral.  I still need to see about fixing the defaults or
at the very least documenting such.

I must say however, Espeak is much more responsive but it is fun to get
these finer voices working for variety sake:).  Thanks for all the help.

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:58:53PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> No, voice has been around since atleast early 2.4 kernels.  I can't
> remember what year it was added, but it has been around in speakup for
> years.
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:29:38PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > I wonder if it was added after my version of Speakup.  The one I'm
> > currently using is dated May 1, 2006 out of CVS and it does not have
> > proc/speakup/voice.  This is with a 2.6.16 something kernel.  My
> > 2.6.19.2 kernel panics on shutdown right now so had to fall back to this
> > older version until I figure out my problem.  Was voice added at a later
> > time?
> > 
> > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:21:01PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > > 
> > > /proc/speakup/voice is the file that controls the voice.  If you don't
> > > have it, something is wrong with your speakup.
> > > 
> > >           Kenny
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 12:12:47PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > What proc/speakup parameter is used for Voice? is it tone? When I list
> > > > the proc/speakup directory, there's no voice value present.  If tone
> > > > does it, I wouldn't need to do anything with speechd-up but maybe
> > > > document something some place.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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