* returning ext3 to ext2 @ Shaun Oliver ` Jacob Schmude 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hi, the subject says it all. is there a way one can return an ext3 filesystem to ext2 short of reformatting it? any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 returning ext3 to ext2 Shaun Oliver @ ` Jacob Schmude ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jacob Schmude @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Well, I'm not sure why you would want to, but the simplest way is: mount the ext3 filesystem as ext2 then remove the .journal file from the root dir of the filesystem That clears away ext3. If you want to use it as ext2 but don't necessarily want to remove the ext3 capability, just mount it as ext2. Again, not sure why anyone would want to do this, given ext2's extremely long boot-up check after an improper shutdown. HTH On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:35:27 +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote: >hi, >the subject says it all. >is there a way one can return an ext3 filesystem to ext2 short of >reformatting it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 ` Jacob Schmude @ ` Shaun Oliver ` General linux question Sina Bahram ` returning ext3 to ext2 Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. there's a reason for this. for playing audio and various other tasks, ext2 is a good deal faster. so where's the journal file then lol. -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* General linux question ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Sina Bahram ` Janina Sajka ` returning ext3 to ext2 Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sina Bahram @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Ok, I installed Fedora today, and I have one of the most basic and simplistic questions probably ever conceived of; however, I didn't see a single screen that asked me if I want to use KDE or Gnome for my desktop environment. I did do a full installation so I'm not worried about not having it, but how do I check if I am running gnome or kde for the desktop environment. Is there any command I can do via telnet? Also how can I enable telnet and ftp. I can ssh into the box but it's a crappy ssh and I want to enable the telnet client and the ftp server. Don't worry about security at all. This thing is behind an extremely good hardware firewall and right now I'm not beginning to be concerned with security issues. How do I just get an ftp that will let me do anything I want. Thanks, Sina No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:45 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: returning ext3 to ext2 there's a reason for this. for playing audio and various other tasks, ext2 is a good deal faster. so where's the journal file then lol. -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: General linux question ` General linux question Sina Bahram @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sina Bahram ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: sbahram, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Sina: Sina Bahram writes: > > ... but how do I check if I am running gnome or kde for the > desktop environment. Is there any command I can do via telnet? The configuration of Xwindows use is at /etc/X11. However, I don't think you need to worry about it. It's not as if you can't smoothly stray from one to another. Rather, your concern is to have the desktop come up talking with Gnopernicus following your login on the graphical login dialog--or following your launch of gnopernicus from the command line. > Also how > can I enable telnet and ftp. I can ssh into the box but it's a crappy > ssh and I want to enable the telnet client and the ftp server. Areyou unable to use your Fedora Core system natively for some reason? The results and the learning curve will be significantly enhanced if you do. Certainly, you're not going to succeed with Gnopernicus over telnet, at the very least. However, to answer the question you asked, you'll need to enable both telnet and vsftp servers, and allow their ports if the Linux machine's firewall is on, as it likely is. Here's what to study: Learn about the service command: service [service.name] start/stop/restart For the more permanent fix, learn the chkconfig command. To enable/disable various firewall (and other) settings, use the setup command. Look at the configurations for vsftp under /etc and tweak as you see fit. Also, edit the telnet configuration file under /etc/xinetd.d/ -- and be aware that you need to restart xinetd after so doing. How do I just get an ftp that will let me do anything I > want. Well, I have never heard of an interface that lets one do anything they want. However, you can configure vsftp to do all that it can for you as described above. Janina ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: General linux question ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sina Bahram ` Janina Sajka ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sina Bahram @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Janina, I got two copies of your email. One of them looked like it was sent to me personally, since there were no advertisements or anything on the bottom of the email. The other email looked like it was in response to an email I sent to speak up; however, I am almost possitive that I sent that "general linux question" email to blindy2? Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Sina No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: General linux question ` Sina Bahram @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: sbahram, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It's possible I was Ms. Groggy on the keyboard. I woke up and started reading email before I had much coffeetoday. Sina Bahram writes: > From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com> > > Janina, > > I got two copies of your email. One of them looked like it was sent to > me personally, since there were no advertisements or anything on the > bottom of the email. The other email looked like it was in response to > an email I sent to speak up; however, I am almost possitive that I sent > that "general linux question" email to blindy2? > Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > Sina > > No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number > of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Email: janina@rednote.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Director, Technology Research and Development American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) http://www.afb.org Chair, Accessibility Work Group Free Standards Group http://accessibility.freestandards.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: General linux question ` Janina Sajka ` Sina Bahram @ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 ` Sina Bahram 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: SPEAKUP Distribution List Hi, Actually, there's no need to edit the xinetd files. chkconfig handles this also. Just do: chkconfig telnet on It's most spiffy. chkconfig will signal xinetd for you, so you don't even need to restart it. HTH. -- Bill in Denver On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > Hi, Sina: > > Sina Bahram writes: > > > > ... but how do I check if I am running gnome or kde for the > > desktop environment. Is there any command I can do via telnet? > > The configuration of Xwindows use is at /etc/X11. However, I don't think > you need to worry about it. It's not as if you can't smoothly stray from > one to another. > > Rather, your concern is to have the desktop come up talking with > Gnopernicus following your login on the graphical login dialog--or > following your launch of gnopernicus from the command line. > > > > Also how > > can I enable telnet and ftp. I can ssh into the box but it's a crappy > > ssh and I want to enable the telnet client and the ftp server. > > Areyou unable to use your Fedora Core system natively for some reason? > The results and the learning curve will be significantly enhanced if you > do. Certainly, you're not going to succeed with Gnopernicus over telnet, > at the very least. > > However, to answer the question you asked, you'll need to enable both > telnet and vsftp servers, and allow their ports if the Linux machine's > firewall is on, as it likely is. > > Here's what to study: > > Learn about the service command: > > service [service.name] start/stop/restart > > For the more permanent fix, learn the chkconfig command. > > To enable/disable various firewall (and other) settings, use the setup > command. > > Look at the configurations for vsftp under /etc and tweak as you see > fit. Also, edit the telnet configuration file under /etc/xinetd.d/ -- > and be aware that you need to restart xinetd after so doing. > > How do I just get an ftp that will let me do anything I > > want. > > Well, I have never heard of an interface that lets one do anything they > want. However, you can configure vsftp to do all that it can for you as > described above. > > Janina > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: General linux question ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 @ ` Sina Bahram 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Sina Bahram @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Oh ok. Thanks for that. Take care, Sina No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:00 PM To: SPEAKUP Distribution List Subject: Re: General linux question Hi, Actually, there's no need to edit the xinetd files. chkconfig handles this also. Just do: chkconfig telnet on It's most spiffy. chkconfig will signal xinetd for you, so you don't even need to restart it. HTH. -- Bill in Denver On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > Hi, Sina: > > Sina Bahram writes: > > > > ... but how do I check if I am running gnome or kde for the desktop > > environment. Is there any command I can do via telnet? > > The configuration of Xwindows use is at /etc/X11. However, I don't > think you need to worry about it. It's not as if you can't smoothly > stray from one to another. > > Rather, your concern is to have the desktop come up talking with > Gnopernicus following your login on the graphical login dialog--or > following your launch of gnopernicus from the command line. > > > > Also how > > can I enable telnet and ftp. I can ssh into the box but it's a > > crappy ssh and I want to enable the telnet client and the ftp > > server. > > Areyou unable to use your Fedora Core system natively for some reason? > The results and the learning curve will be significantly enhanced if > you do. Certainly, you're not going to succeed with Gnopernicus over > telnet, at the very least. > > However, to answer the question you asked, you'll need to enable both > telnet and vsftp servers, and allow their ports if the Linux machine's > firewall is on, as it likely is. > > Here's what to study: > > Learn about the service command: > > service [service.name] start/stop/restart > > For the more permanent fix, learn the chkconfig command. > > To enable/disable various firewall (and other) settings, use the setup > command. > > Look at the configurations for vsftp under /etc and tweak as you see > fit. Also, edit the telnet configuration file under /etc/xinetd.d/ -- > and be aware that you need to restart xinetd after so doing. > > How do I just get an ftp that will let me do anything I > > want. > > Well, I have never heard of an interface that lets one do anything > they want. However, you can configure vsftp to do all that it can for > you as described above. > > Janina > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 ` Shaun Oliver ` General linux question Sina Bahram @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Thomas Stivers 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I seem to recall that there should be a .journal (note the period in front) file in the file system's root directory. However, I've just looked through 3 different ext3 file systems, and can't find it anywhere. Maybe something has changed between the early and current versions of ext3. Greg On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:45:20PM +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote: > there's a reason for this. > for playing audio and various other tasks, ext2 is a good deal faster. > so where's the journal file then lol. > > -- > Shaun Oliver > "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" > > EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au > ICQ: 76958435 > YAHOO: blindman01_2000 > MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com > AIM: captain nemo 200 > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 > IRCNICK: blindman > CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 ` returning ext3 to ext2 Gregory Nowak @ ` Thomas Stivers ` Cheryl Homiak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Thomas Stivers @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/09/03 9:34 AM -0600, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I seem to recall that there should be a .journal (note the period in > front) file in the file system's root directory. However, I've just > looked through 3 different ext3 file systems, and can't find it > anywhere. Maybe something has changed between the early and current > versions of ext3. I believe you are thinking of reiserfs which has the .journal file. - -- Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more carefully than others. Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org gpg: 45CBBABD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rmIJ5JK61UXLur0RAvHEAJwLjsYoIfuBrf0aCTarMHnIrAow/wCfb0Bc WpTEId9ndcljGoMQuIhSz0k= =8fN9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 ` Thomas Stivers @ ` Cheryl Homiak ` Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. No, ext3 did also have the .journal file, unless something has changed since I did it. I know, because I deleted at least one when trying to go back to ext2. You should have a .journal on any partition where you ran tune2fs to get the ext3 system, unless you chose to put the journal on an external device, and I imagine you'd know if you had chosen to do this. Also, if you are changing to ext3 or changing back, don't forget that you have to also change /etc/fstab accordingly. -- Cheryl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 ` Cheryl Homiak @ ` Steve Holmes ` Adam Myrow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup Yes, there is a .journal file in the / directory. Interesting thing though; I did a 'ls -la' to show dot files and the .journal on my box shows a last mod date of 3 Mar 2003 and I've been using my machine all along here so not sure what that really means. I figured it would have a recent time stamp. Well, I now see that on one of my other linux machines here that a .journal file does *NOT* exist and when I do the mount command, it does indeed show that it is an ext3 file system so my previous paragraph must be moot now. <hmmm> wonder what will happen if I delete the .journal on this machine? It's 33 megs I can get back:) -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://ld.net/?holmesgrown ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: returning ext3 to ext2 ` Steve Holmes @ ` Adam Myrow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I just looked at the manpage for tune2fs, and I think the proper way to convert EXT3 back to EXT2 is like so. Type tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/hda2. Substitute the right partition for /dev/hda2. I just tried this and there was a long burst of disk activity on the partition, so I assume it deletes the journal when clearing this feature. So, this seems to be the way to do it. I'd also edit /etc/fstab to show the filesystem type as ext2, and you may want to unmount the filesystem if possible before running tune2fs as a safety precaution. You can find out a lot about a filesystem with dumpe2fs /dev/hda2. Again, put in the appropriate partition. You should also pipe the output through a pager like less, as it's quite long. You can find out pretty much all the settings of a filesystem from this command. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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