Disabling root login on ssh?

Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

Hi guys,

For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my
/etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed it to
no; however, it still allows me to login as root.

What can I do to disable root login via ssh?

Take care,
Sina

Re: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi!

  Have you restarted sshd?

    Another way is to define users who can login,  keyword is allowusers
in sshd_config.

HTH
-- 
arimo

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed it to
> no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>
> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

I have restarted sshd, yes. I have not tried allowusers, I'll take a look at
that, but why doesn't just uncommenting the line for root login work?

Thanks for the help, by the way.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Ari Moisio
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:18 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?


Hi!

  Have you restarted sshd?

    Another way is to define users who can login,  keyword is allowusers in
sshd_config.

HTH
-- 
arimo

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my 
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed 
> it to no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>
> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

Is allowsuers a cama separated list?

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Ari Moisio
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:18 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?


Hi!

  Have you restarted sshd?

    Another way is to define users who can login,  keyword is allowusers in
sshd_config.

HTH
-- 
arimo

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my 
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed 
> it to no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>
> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi!

  On ssh2 it is comma separated, on ssh1 space separated.

  Dont't known about openssh,  tfm is our friend again.



-- 
arimo

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Is allowsuers a cama separated list?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Ari Moisio
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?
>
>
> Hi!
>
>   Have you restarted sshd?
>
>     Another way is to define users who can login,  keyword is allowusers in
> sshd_config.
>
> HTH
>

Re: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Luke Yelavich]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 03:50:51AM EST, Sina Bahram wrote:
> I have restarted sshd, yes. I have not tried allowusers, I'll take a look at
> that, but why doesn't just uncommenting the line for root login work?

Have you tried disabling password logins and using keys? Or would you rather
not use keys?

Luke

Re: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

First, you must restart the sshd process for that to take effect. If that
doesn't work, then your problem probably has to do with pam. Look in your
/etc/pam.d directory, in the file called sshd.
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Disabling root login on ssh?


> Hi guys,
>
> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed it to
> no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>
> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

speakup and the sonar system?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
has anyone made an effort to create scripts for Linux-speakup and the 
caketalker or other sonar system programs?
Thanks,
Karen L

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Stephen Clower]

Sonar is a program for Windows. It will not run in Linux with Speakup.


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On 8/16/2004 at 7:41 PM Karen Lewellen wrote:

>Hi all,
>has anyone made an effort to create scripts for Linux-speakup and the 
>caketalker or other sonar system programs?
>Thanks,
>Karen L
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

By the way...i still haven't gotten this to work. Let me know if I need to
copy my sshd_config file, the rellavent portion anyways...or whatever: but I
just can't seem to get it narrowed down. The allowusers thing goes in just
fine, it doesn't complain about it at all, but it also doesn't seem to do
anything.

Take care,
Sina 

No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Ari Moisio
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:18 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?

Hi!

  Have you restarted sshd?

    Another way is to define users who can login,  keyword is allowusers in
sshd_config.

HTH
--
arimo

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my 
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed 
> it to no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>
> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

Thank you, it still doesn't work, but thanks for the info.

Take care,
Sina 

No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Ari Moisio
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:19 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

Hi!

  On ssh2 it is comma separated, on ssh1 space separated.

  Dont't known about openssh,  tfm is our friend again.



--
arimo

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Is allowsuers a cama separated list?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Ari Moisio
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?
>
>
> Hi!
>
>   Have you restarted sshd?
>
>     Another way is to define users who can login,  keyword is 
> allowusers in sshd_config.
>
> HTH
>

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Speakup mailing list
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RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

I would probably rather use keys myself, but have to set it up for a
coworker as well...and unless if there's an easy way to do this from a
windows box...the keys, I mean, I'll have to stick to nice complicated
passwords....not that SSH is all that secure to begin with, from what I
hear? *please note the question mark* <smile>

But, any thoughts on this problem?

Take care,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:44 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?

On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 03:50:51AM EST, Sina Bahram wrote:
> I have restarted sshd, yes. I have not tried allowusers, I'll take a 
> look at that, but why doesn't just uncommenting the line for root login
work?

Have you tried disabling password logins and using keys? Or would you rather
not use keys?

Luke


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RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

Wait now...isn't pam a Kerberoes thing?

I'm not sure about that at all, just I thought it was. 

I wil however, RTFM, and also RTFG for google *smile*

But honest, I read all the documentation for this disabling root thing, and
everyone says go do what I did....but I shall look at the pam.d sshd file,
thank you

Take care,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:27 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?

First, you must restart the sshd process for that to take effect. If that
doesn't work, then your problem probably has to do with pam. Look in your
/etc/pam.d directory, in the file called sshd.
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
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quoting me in a reply.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Disabling root login on ssh?


> Hi guys,
>
> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed it to
> no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>
> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


_______________________________________________
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Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Hi there,
Two things. First, to fix your problem.
If you send me the following files, I 
will take a look at them and provide you with any information you may 
need to fix them:

/etc/pam.d/sshd
/etc/ssh/sshd_config

And just to be safe, send me this one as well:

/etc/pam.d/login

Now, to answer your questions about pam.
No, pam has nothing to do with kerberos, accept that pam modules could 
use it I guess if you had the right one. Pam stands for plugable 
authentication modules, and it is supposed to provide a uniform way for 
programs to authenticate users. Programs that are written to support pam 
can easily authenticate users according to pam's configuration, and the 
programs need not have any knolege of how the authentication takes 
place. In some cases, programs that do their own authentication can have 
their authentication decisions ignored because of pam. This depends 
on how the program is written. For example, if sshd were configured to 
check with pam for authentication, whether or not the permitrootlogin 
setting were honored would depend on when and how sshd checked it. If 
pam allowed the authentication, and sshd just accepted that without any 
further checks, then the permitrootlogin setting would make no 
difference. The good news is that if this is the case, pam does have a 
module that allows authentication to be automatically denied if the user 
requesting authentication is root.

Ok, I hope that cleared things up a little. I just finished doing some 
reading up on pam, so if anyone has any questions, I can probably answer 
them. <grin>
-- 
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Wait now...isn't pam a Kerberoes thing?
>
> I'm not sure about that at all, just I thought it was.
>
> I wil however, RTFM, and also RTFG for google *smile*
>
> But honest, I read all the documentation for this disabling root thing, and
> everyone says go do what I did....but I shall look at the pam.d sshd file,
> thank you
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:27 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?
>
> First, you must restart the sshd process for that to take effect. If that
> doesn't work, then your problem probably has to do with pam. Look in your
> /etc/pam.d directory, in the file called sshd.
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please lieve intact if
> quoting me in a reply.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:55 AM
> Subject: Disabling root login on ssh?
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in my
>> /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and changed it to
>> no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>>
>> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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>

RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

[Sina Bahram]

Ok, let me take a look at that file...and I'll then email you both files if
it doesn't work. I really apppreciate the help.

Take care,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:24 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Disabling root login on ssh?

Hi there,
Two things. First, to fix your problem.
If you send me the following files, I
will take a look at them and provide you with any information you may need
to fix them:

/etc/pam.d/sshd
/etc/ssh/sshd_config

And just to be safe, send me this one as well:

/etc/pam.d/login

Now, to answer your questions about pam.
No, pam has nothing to do with kerberos, accept that pam modules could use
it I guess if you had the right one. Pam stands for plugable authentication
modules, and it is supposed to provide a uniform way for programs to
authenticate users. Programs that are written to support pam can easily
authenticate users according to pam's configuration, and the programs need
not have any knolege of how the authentication takes place. In some cases,
programs that do their own authentication can have their authentication
decisions ignored because of pam. This depends on how the program is
written. For example, if sshd were configured to check with pam for
authentication, whether or not the permitrootlogin setting were honored
would depend on when and how sshd checked it. If pam allowed the
authentication, and sshd just accepted that without any further checks, then
the permitrootlogin setting would make no difference. The good news is that
if this is the case, pam does have a module that allows authentication to be
automatically denied if the user requesting authentication is root.

Ok, I hope that cleared things up a little. I just finished doing some
reading up on pam, so if anyone has any questions, I can probably answer
them. <grin>
--
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
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if quoting me in a reply.
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

> Wait now...isn't pam a Kerberoes thing?
>
> I'm not sure about that at all, just I thought it was.
>
> I wil however, RTFM, and also RTFG for google *smile*
>
> But honest, I read all the documentation for this disabling root 
> thing, and everyone says go do what I did....but I shall look at the 
> pam.d sshd file, thank you
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large 
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:27 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Disabling root login on ssh?
>
> First, you must restart the sshd process for that to take effect. If 
> that doesn't work, then your problem probably has to do with pam. Look 
> in your /etc/pam.d directory, in the file called sshd.
> --
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> Note, the following is used for automated processing. Please lieve 
> intact if quoting me in a reply.
> Verification: 5eab38a77ac40416e075be8f50607ff7
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:55 AM
> Subject: Disabling root login on ssh?
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> For some reason I can't get this to work, I uncommented the line in 
>> my /etc/ssh/sshd_config file that reads PermitRootLogin yes and 
>> changed it to no; however, it still allows me to login as root.
>>
>> What can I do to disable root login via ssh?
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Erik Heil]

Hi their.  this is probably a long shot, but you might get it to run under 
Wine.  I have not used this before, but according to some friens of mine, 
you can actually get a normal Windows Desktop, along with a start menu, 
etc.  This would also require you to get Jaws or some other Windows screen 
reader running within a Wine session, which I'm not sure is even possible 
to implement.  I do know for a fact that their is a payed version of Wine 
which actually supports DirectX functionality, so then in theory you could 
probably run the accessible games that have been developed.  I'm not even 
sure of what capabilities Wine has, or to what extent it emulates Windows. 
Perhaps someone whith more experience can expand on this further.

-- 
Erik Heil <eheil@va3duk.serveftp.com>
Phone: (865) 673-0542

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I've tried wine 2 months ago most recently, and it still bombs when
trying to get wineyes 3.1 installed. The same happens when trying to
install the drive game from soundsupport.net.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 09:28:55AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi their.  this is probably a long shot, but you might get it to run under 
> Wine.  I have not used this before, but according to some friens of mine, 
> you can actually get a normal Windows Desktop, along with a start menu, 
> etc.  This would also require you to get Jaws or some other Windows screen 
> reader running within a Wine session, which I'm not sure is even possible 
> to implement.  I do know for a fact that their is a payed version of Wine 
> which actually supports DirectX functionality, so then in theory you could 
> probably run the accessible games that have been developed.  I'm not even 
> sure of what capabilities Wine has, or to what extent it emulates Windows. 
> Perhaps someone whith more experience can expand on this further.
> 
> -- 
> Erik Heil <eheil@va3duk.serveftp.com>
> Phone: (865) 673-0542
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> !DSPAM:41220e6d70915329912809!
> 
> 

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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Erik Heil]

Hi Greg.  I don't know if you have access to a hardware synth, but here's 
an idea.  I wonder if its possible to install Window Eyes, tell it no 
speech during installation and specify your HW synth for its runtime 
configuration? That way if its purely a sound card issue, you would in 
theory have access to the Windows GUI running within the context of the 
Wine environment. As far as that game you described, doesn't that require 
Flash? That's another story, but you might have to install that also, 
unless Wine includes a version of it.


On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> I've tried wine 2 months ago most recently, and it still bombs when
> trying to get wineyes 3.1 installed. The same happens when trying to
> install the drive game from soundsupport.net.
>
> Greg
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> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 09:28:55AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
>> Hi their.  this is probably a long shot, but you might get it to run under
>> Wine.  I have not used this before, but according to some friens of mine,
>> you can actually get a normal Windows Desktop, along with a start menu,
>> etc.  This would also require you to get Jaws or some other Windows screen
>> reader running within a Wine session, which I'm not sure is even possible
>> to implement.  I do know for a fact that their is a payed version of Wine
>> which actually supports DirectX functionality, so then in theory you could
>> probably run the accessible games that have been developed.  I'm not even
>> sure of what capabilities Wine has, or to what extent it emulates Windows.
>> Perhaps someone whith more experience can expand on this further.
>>
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi Erik.

I've thought of that, but it wouldn't work, and here's why. When you
start the window-eyes install, the installer automatically tries to
launch a temporary copy of window-eyes, as well as the microsoft tts
engine, and this is where wine crashes. I don't know of a way to tell
the installer to not attempt launching the temporary copy of wineyes
along with the tts engine. The only way around this I could think of
is to install wineyes on a real windows machine, and move the
installed stuff into wine. Even so, I believe that wineyes modifies
the registry when it installs, and probably does other things which I
haven't been able to catch yet.

As for the drive game, it doesn't require flash, but it does require
directx 9, which I believe is built into the gpl version of wine.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 03:19:06PM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi Greg.  I don't know if you have access to a hardware synth, but here's 
> an idea.  I wonder if its possible to install Window Eyes, tell it no 
> speech during installation and specify your HW synth for its runtime 
> configuration? That way if its purely a sound card issue, you would in 
> theory have access to the Windows GUI running within the context of the 
> Wine environment. As far as that game you described, doesn't that require 
> Flash? That's another story, but you might have to install that also, 
> unless Wine includes a version of it.
> 
> 

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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Erik Heil]

Hi Greg.  Very good points their.  Well, let's think about this for a 
minute.  if you install Windows Eyes on a real Windows machine, you could 
use a monitoring utility which will keep track of all system registry 
values that have been written or modified during the installation.  Then, 
you could strip out the TTS stuff, copy the binaries into their propper 
locations, and specify your hardware synth hopefully in the registry.  i'm 
not sure if this would work, but I think its getting a little closer. 
Here's why the Microsoft TTS engine won't work under Wine.  I'm not sure 
whether it has support for the MSappi stuff.  Possibly you could install 
it, and hey, it just might be able to run.  I wonder if Freedom Science 
Fiction's products do the same thing?  Its worth looking into.  With our 
luck, they probably do.

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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Luke Yelavich]

Hi all
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 05:19:06AM EST, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi Greg.  I don't know if you have access to a hardware synth, but here's 
> an idea.  I wonder if its possible to install Window Eyes, tell it no 
> speech during installation and specify your HW synth for its runtime 
> configuration? That way if its purely a sound card issue, you would in 
> theory have access to the Windows GUI running within the context of the 
> Wine environment. As far as that game you described, doesn't that require 
> Flash? That's another story, but you might have to install that also, 
> unless Wine includes a version of it.

Unfortunately, WinEyes or JAWS will never work. What these two screen readers
rely on, is a video intercept driver between the driver and windows. This has
to be loaded when Windows boots, and since Wine is mainly there for applications
to get the standard Windows functions, I don't think this is possible. Wine
would probably have to have a way to load these intercept drivers when X starts
so it can read the windows.

I could be totally wrong however, but that is how I understand it.

Luke

Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Alex Snow]

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I doubt it'd work...wine isn't very useful for running windows apps so 
far...if something works it's quite possible it'll break in a future 
release. 
basically if you want to run windows apps, use windows. another 
solution if you can configure it would be to run vmware under linux 
and install windows under that.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:33:54PM -0400, 
Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi Greg.  Very good points their.  Well, let's think about this for a 
> minute.  if you install Windows Eyes on a real Windows machine, you could 
> use a monitoring utility which will keep track of all system registry 
> values that have been written or modified during the installation.  Then, 
> you could strip out the TTS stuff, copy the binaries into their propper 
> locations, and specify your hardware synth hopefully in the registry.  i'm 
> not sure if this would work, but I think its getting a little closer. 
> Here's why the Microsoft TTS engine won't work under Wine.  I'm not sure 
> whether it has support for the MSappi stuff.  Possibly you could install 
> it, and hey, it just might be able to run.  I wonder if Freedom Science 
> Fiction's products do the same thing?  Its worth looking into.  With our 
> luck, they probably do.
> 
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Re: speakup and the sonar system?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well, there also is bochs. However, it runs so slow on my PIII 600 Mhz
with 384 Mb of RAM, that using it is extremely impractical.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 06:10:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I doubt it'd work...wine isn't very useful for running windows apps so 
> far...if something works it's quite possible it'll break in a future 
> release. 
> basically if you want to run windows apps, use windows. another 
> solution if you can configure it would be to run vmware under linux 
> and install windows under that.

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