* possible new Speakfreely project @ Igor Gueths ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 available somewhere? Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= =EP0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project possible new Speakfreely project Igor Gueths @ ` Alex Snow ` Igor Gueths ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people owuld use it. On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > available somewhere? Thanks! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > =EP0I > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government licence to sell liquor. -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= =VyAD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Alex Snow @ ` Igor Gueths ` nick G ` Alex Snow ` Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to sfmike.c/speaker.c and possibly a few others. On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > owuld use it. > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > =EP0I > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government > licence to sell liquor. > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > =VyAD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= =BoHh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Igor Gueths @ ` nick G ` Igor Gueths ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I'd rather you use Speex at 32 khz. That'd be cool! Freaken cool! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@lava-net.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: possible new Speakfreely project > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to sfmike.c/speaker.c > and possibly a few others. > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > owuld use it. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > =EP0I > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > - -- > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government > > licence to sell liquor. > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > =VyAD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > =BoHh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` nick G @ ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Except that would require a complete implementation of Speex, which is not currently supported. Ans since Ventrilo uses GSM at 44 KHZ figured I'd play with that instead. On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 08:05:27PM -0500, nick G wrote: > I'd rather you use Speex at 32 khz. That'd be cool! Freaken cool! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@lava-net.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: possible new Speakfreely project > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to sfmike.c/speaker.c > > and possibly a few others. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > > owuld use it. > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > > wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to > get > > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. > My > > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at > 44 > > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > > =EP0I > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > - -- > > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government > > > licence to sell liquor. > > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > > =VyAD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > > =BoHh > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbg9lNohoaf1zXJMRAnTnAKCTX1CQOst71EyEM9o1IrRiJI1ANwCcCdmt onNuuWEXHuqce5d6aUEjY9c= =SN5+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Igor Gueths ` nick G @ ` Alex Snow ` Igor Gueths ` Jared Stofflett 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 true. also the windows client would need some mods which complicates things even more. On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:21:55PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to sfmike.c/speaker.c > and possibly a few others. > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > owuld use it. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > =EP0I > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > - -- > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government > > licence to sell liquor. > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > =VyAD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > =BoHh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- ... faster BogoMIPS calculations (yes, it now boots 2 seconds faster than it used to: we're considering changing the name from "Linux" to "InstaBOOT" -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.26 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbuyZ9XVrM3ri110RAsXvAJ4j5fdrOd+FFK+gqzrmqyea6IfWaACbBfgw ydylCDJ8hpFnkGWnKZCaqf8= =zr6l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Alex Snow @ ` Igor Gueths ` Alex Snow ` Jared Stofflett 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 However in terms of this GSM thing, all that would have to happen to the windblows client is for it to be rebuilt. On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 11:55:54AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > true. also the windows client would need some mods which complicates > things even more. > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:21:55PM -0500, Igor Gueths > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to sfmike.c/speaker.c > > and possibly a few others. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > > owuld use it. > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > > wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get > > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > > =EP0I > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > - -- > > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government > > > licence to sell liquor. > > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > > =VyAD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > > =BoHh > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > ... faster BogoMIPS calculations (yes, it now boots 2 seconds faster than > it used to: we're considering changing the name from "Linux" to "InstaBOOT" > -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.26 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbuyZ9XVrM3ri110RAsXvAJ4j5fdrOd+FFK+gqzrmqyea6IfWaACbBfgw > ydylCDJ8hpFnkGWnKZCaqf8= > =zr6l > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbvU9Nohoaf1zXJMRAh/+AKCVg/pHePwgQ12D33E7MKRsne79YACgjno/ hxikwSMkYzmrksK8gbX/UME= =XOCG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Igor Gueths @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yeah. only problem is you'd need visual studio.net. On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:32:45PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > However in terms of this GSM thing, all that would have to happen to the > windblows client is for it to be rebuilt. > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 11:55:54AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > true. also the windows client would need some mods which complicates > > things even more. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:21:55PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to sfmike.c/speaker.c > > > and possibly a few others. > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > > > owuld use it. > > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > > > wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is to get > > > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > > > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > > > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > > > =EP0I > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > > > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government > > > > licence to sell liquor. > > > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > > > =VyAD > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > > > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > > > =BoHh > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > - -- > > ... faster BogoMIPS calculations (yes, it now boots 2 seconds faster than > > it used to: we're considering changing the name from "Linux" to "InstaBOOT" > > -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.26 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbuyZ9XVrM3ri110RAsXvAJ4j5fdrOd+FFK+gqzrmqyea6IfWaACbBfgw > > ydylCDJ8hpFnkGWnKZCaqf8= > > =zr6l > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbvU9Nohoaf1zXJMRAh/+AKCVg/pHePwgQ12D33E7MKRsne79YACgjno/ > hxikwSMkYzmrksK8gbX/UME= > =XOCG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- ...Deep Hack Mode -- that mysterious and frightening state of consciousness where Mortal Users fear to tread. -- Matt Welsh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbxr09XVrM3ri110RAsbEAJ9r/PdhRygx/NVS3rl6GvAlWz+mOQCeLbbH WnCAPzKSwQVbUUkRVPKdYzo= =H8sg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* RE: possible new Speakfreely project ` Alex Snow ` Igor Gueths @ ` Jared Stofflett ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Jared Stofflett @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I came in on the middle of this thread, so sorry if this has been menchoned. How about y ou ask the speak f reely devolipers? It is now a sourceforge project http://speak-freely.sourceforge.net/ -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Alex Snow Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:56 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: possible new Speakfreely project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 true. also the windows client would need some mods which complicates things even more. On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:21:55PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to > sfmike.c/speaker.c > and possibly a few others. > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > owuld use it. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is > > > to get > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo can. My > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and its > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode at 44 > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for GSM-6.1 > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > =EP0I > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > - -- > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has > > government > > licence to sell liquor. > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > =VyAD > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > =BoHh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- ... faster BogoMIPS calculations (yes, it now boots 2 seconds faster than it used to: we're considering changing the name from "Linux" to "InstaBOOT" -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.26 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbuyZ9XVrM3ri110RAsXvAJ4j5fdrOd+FFK+gqzrmqyea6IfWaACbBfgw ydylCDJ8hpFnkGWnKZCaqf8= =zr6l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Jared Stofflett @ ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I could do that and ask what their development plans are. On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:07:45PM -0600, Jared Stofflett wrote: > I came in on the middle of this thread, so sorry if this has been > menchoned. How about y ou ask the speak f reely devolipers? It is now a > sourceforge project > http://speak-freely.sourceforge.net/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Alex Snow > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:56 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: possible new Speakfreely project > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > true. also the windows client would need some mods which complicates > things even more. > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:21:55PM -0500, Igor Gueths > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > hmm. That would involve several ugly modifications to > > sfmike.c/speaker.c > > and possibly a few others. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. > This > > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to > set > > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > > owuld use it. > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, Igor Gueths > > > wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Hi all. I am planning on actually taking on a project. My goal is > > > > to get > > > > Speakfreely to be able to transmit audio at 44 KHZ like Ventrilo > can. My > > > > first thought was to reverse engineer Ventrilo itself, however the > > > > > effort required wouldn't be worth it to keep up with the possibly > > > > ever-changing protocol. So my focus has shifted to Speakfreely and > its > > > > GSM library. Does anyone know if this library can actually encode > at 44 > > > > KHZ natively? If not, is there an already existing library for > GSM-6.1 > > > > available somewhere? Thanks! > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfCXNohoaf1zXJMRAmdaAKCcGWSInID1xsThDSZT8EMA9XPqYwCfbCN+ > > > > KAzpdVdo5cgZBpt8+3VGB5I= > > > > =EP0I > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > - -- > > > Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with > us > > > to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." > > > > > > Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". > > > > > > [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has > > > government > > > licence to sell liquor. > > > -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAbfpW9XVrM3ri110RAoYoAJoC9BhVqslR6zu4VIxXh1exNMNdTgCfbaGD > > > jCXoyaVOjeTiwNku5Y0NA/c= > > > =VyAD > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAbgOjNohoaf1zXJMRAoHJAJ9CU6rumU/aVXpyoxhZWcY0XT/J5wCguDJh > > IJ60Ql08061aAV4X9IY3xM0= > > =BoHh > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > ... faster BogoMIPS calculations (yes, it now boots 2 seconds faster > than it used to: we're considering changing the name from "Linux" to > "InstaBOOT" > -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.26 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAbuyZ9XVrM3ri110RAsXvAJ4j5fdrOd+FFK+gqzrmqyea6IfWaACbBfgw > ydylCDJ8hpFnkGWnKZCaqf8= > =zr6l > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAbvVeNohoaf1zXJMRAhQIAJ9ZCL6NTnQqX/mC3W2H1c4UldETDACeMTwt OYS9otLaOUBZmx5RxwdXWfQ= =soPT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Alex Snow ` Igor Gueths @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I heard tell that Alex Snow delivered up the following on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > owuld use it. as I understand it, the reason that apps like yahoo's voice chat and ventrilo are able to work without modifying router settings is because the return path is sent out along with the data packet carrying the audio so that various appliances inbetween the client and server or other client can send it to the correct destination. I did hear the correct term for this somewhere and I can't think of it off the top of my head but yes it would be a great idea. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Alex Snow ` nick G 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 upnp? or is that something else. On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:20:52PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > I heard tell that Alex Snow delivered up the following on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > owuld use it. > > as I understand it, the reason that apps like yahoo's voice chat and > ventrilo are able to work without modifying router settings is because > the return path is sent out along with the data packet carrying the > audio so that various appliances inbetween the client and server or > other client can send it to the correct destination. > I did hear the correct term for this somewhere and I can't think of it > off the top of my head but yes it would be a great idea. > > > > > -- > Shaun Oliver > > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." > email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 > IRCNICK: blindman > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- So in the future, one 'client' at a time or you'll be spending CPU time with lots of little 'child processes'. -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the private life of a Linux nerd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFAbvCd9XVrM3ri110RAjt/AJwPh/hE8NjtKT2XelokH+f/vCgPvwCWImnc AldVmAUCIDJ/vKuYaJJJjA== =eWF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: possible new Speakfreely project ` Alex Snow @ ` nick G 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. No, that opens ports as requested. I wouldn't mind that in Speak Freely myself. Thanks, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: Re: possible new Speakfreely project > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > upnp? or is that something else. > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:20:52PM > +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > > I heard tell that Alex Snow delivered up the following on Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0500, > > > another thing that should be done to speakfreely is to improve it's > > > nat support. I think this discourages the less knolageable users > > > because they may not know how to modify router settings and such. This > > > is why I've seen a lot of people use ventrilo because It's easy to set > > > up network wise. if speakfreely supported this I think more people > > > owuld use it. > > > > as I understand it, the reason that apps like yahoo's voice chat and > > ventrilo are able to work without modifying router settings is because > > the return path is sent out along with the data packet carrying the > > audio so that various appliances inbetween the client and server or > > other client can send it to the correct destination. > > I did hear the correct term for this somewhere and I can't think of it > > off the top of my head but yes it would be a great idea. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Shaun Oliver > > > > > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." > > email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ > > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 > > IRCNICK: blindman > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > So in the future, one 'client' at a time or you'll be spending CPU time with > lots of little 'child processes'. > -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the private life of a Linux nerd > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD4DBQFAbvCd9XVrM3ri110RAjt/AJwPh/hE8NjtKT2XelokH+f/vCgPvwCWImnc > AldVmAUCIDJ/vKuYaJJJjA== > =eWF6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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