Re: multi tasking

Re: multi tasking

[Darcy Burnard]

Hi Keith.  Pressing alt left arrow or alt right arrow will cycle you
through the six virtual consoles on your system.  Alternately, pressing
alt f1 through alt f6 will instantly open the respective console.
HTH
Darcy

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> OK, I know Linux is this really great multi-tasking system. So how do I
> multi-task?
> I've been doing a lot of reading of HowTos and Documentation. What would be
> helpful is to keep that session open and switch to a command line so I can
> practice some of the tutorial info. Instead of closing out the browser or
> editor and trying it.
> I'm sure this is one of those really easy things that is just sitting there,
> staring me in the face. If it were a snake, I'd be dead by now. My brain is
> just spinning it's wheels though. What can you guys and gals tell me?
> from
> Keith H.
> OxyMoron:
>  3.   Pretty ugly
> 
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multi tasking

[Keith Heltsley]

OK, I know Linux is this really great multi-tasking system. So how do I
multi-task?
I've been doing a lot of reading of HowTos and Documentation. What would be
helpful is to keep that session open and switch to a command line so I can
practice some of the tutorial info. Instead of closing out the browser or
editor and trying it.
I'm sure this is one of those really easy things that is just sitting there,
staring me in the face. If it were a snake, I'd be dead by now. My brain is
just spinning it's wheels though. What can you guys and gals tell me?
from
Keith H.
OxyMoron:
 3.   Pretty ugly

RE: multi tasking

[Jared]

Don't quote me but I think its just alt+1 for the first console excetra.
Could you tell me some of the meterial your using?

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Subject: multi tasking


OK, I know Linux is this really great multi-tasking system. So how do I
multi-task?
I've been doing a lot of reading of HowTos and Documentation. What would be
helpful is to keep that session open and switch to a command line so I can
practice some of the tutorial info. Instead of closing out the browser or
editor and trying it.
I'm sure this is one of those really easy things that is just sitting there,
staring me in the face. If it were a snake, I'd be dead by now. My brain is
just spinning it's wheels though. What can you guys and gals tell me?
from
Keith H.
OxyMoron:
 3.   Pretty ugly


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Re: multi tasking

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Keith -
On my Slackware system there are six separate consoles available
for me to use at any time. Other distributions may have a
different number of them by default, and you can change it if you
want.

You can switch to a different console at any time, without
disturbing your current one, by typing "alt-F1", "alt-F2",
"alt-F3", etc. to go to the corresponding console. An alternative
is to type "alt-left" or "alt-right" to move to the adjacent
console on either side of your current one. You will at first
have another login screen on a console you have not yet used, and
you log in there in the usual way. You can log into a different
account or into the one that is already open. It gets tricky when
you want to run the same program in two consoles that are on the
same account, but for many applications it is not impossible.

I commonly have one console open to read a man page and then move
to another to try something out that is described there.

HTH - Chuck


On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> OK, I know Linux is this really great multi-tasking system. So how do I
> multi-task?
> I've been doing a lot of reading of HowTos and Documentation. What would be
> helpful is to keep that session open and switch to a command line so I can
> practice some of the tutorial info. Instead of closing out the browser or
> editor and trying it.
> I'm sure this is one of those really easy things that is just sitting there,
> staring me in the face. If it were a snake, I'd be dead by now. My brain is
> just spinning it's wheels though. What can you guys and gals tell me?
> from
> Keith H.
> OxyMoron:
>  3.   Pretty ugly
>
>
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multi tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Keith, try bringing up a second or third or fourth console by using
the alt-function keys.  When you log in, you're sitting in console
one.  Type alt-f2 and you'll be asked to login again.  Bing, another
console.  Typing alt-f3 gets you another console.  I think you have
six of them in RH not sure.

Ann P.

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Re: multi tasking

[randy turner]

hi,
i myself really enjoy the multi tasking in linux
it is really greate to be downloading something and
go to another web page,
what is cool is to have two web pages open at the same time.

randy

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Keith, try bringing up a second or third or fourth console by using
> the alt-function keys.  When you log in, you're sitting in console
> one.  Type alt-f2 and you'll be asked to login again.  Bing, another
> console.  Typing alt-f3 gets you another console.  I think you have
> six of them in RH not sure.
>
> Ann P.
>
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Re: multi tasking

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Kieth. To switch to another console, just press alt+f2. You will get a login prompt. Function keys 1-6 are your different consoles. What I often do is stream shoutcast stations while playing on a bbs in the second console grin! Or reading C libraries, which I still have to read through if I expect to get my project off the ground in the first place. What you might also want to do is check out www.acbradio.org/mainmenu.html. There are some very good tutorials by Matt Campbell especially. Unfortunately, the audio has been downsampled, so it sounds a bit like a very old tape recorder. But it is good nonetheless. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:03 AM
Subject: multi tasking


> OK, I know Linux is this really great multi-tasking system. So how do I
> multi-task?
> I've been doing a lot of reading of HowTos and Documentation. What would be
> helpful is to keep that session open and switch to a command line so I can
> practice some of the tutorial info. Instead of closing out the browser or
> editor and trying it.
> I'm sure this is one of those really easy things that is just sitting there,
> staring me in the face. If it were a snake, I'd be dead by now. My brain is
> just spinning it's wheels though. What can you guys and gals tell me?
> from
> Keith H.
> OxyMoron:
>  3.   Pretty ugly
> 
> 
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multi tasking

[Dave Hunt <]

There are a couple of ways to do this.

You could use the program called 'screen'.  This is a "window manager"
that lets you use up to 10 virtual terminals on one login.  You can
start it as simply as "screen <program>", where <program> is, for
instance, lynx.  You can switch among your running programs with
"ctrl-a <window-number>".  

Another option (Speakup supports this well), is to login on many of
the "virtual consoles", and switch among them with "alt-f1" through
"alt-f6", unless you've defined more.  Speakup offers a nice
"copy-and-paste" mechanism for working with these many consoles.  

Finally, you could start one job, suspend it with "ctrl-z", start a
second job, suspend that, and so on.  You could then resume all these
in background with "bg %<jobnumber>".  To attach to any job, do "fg
%<jobnumber>".  

-Dave

Re: multi tasking

[Dave Hunt <]

Keith:

If the sighted person in question were using the virtual consoles, she
could use the mouse to copy and paste, assuming GPM is running.  Such
a person might prefer to use a utility like "screen", with its own
copy-and-paste.  Oh, there's always x-windows.

-Dave

Keith Heltsley writes:
 > Thanks for the ton of responses on this issue. I knew it hd to be something
 > obvious.  Besides the Speakup cut/paste commands, is there a way to do
 > something ike that with a linux command?
 > 
 > Just for an example. I was wanting to add some people to abook but it
 > doesn't like importing from a csv file. I was doing the cut/paste thing
 > using speakup and going between consoles. Very cool. But I was just
 > wondering how a sighted person, or someone not using Speakup might do a
 > similar thing.
 > 
 > from
 > Keith H.
 > 
 > OxyMoron:
 > 5.  Terribly pleased
 > 
 > 
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cut & paste ouside speakup

[Terry Cudney]

Hi Keith and everyone,

	Sightees using the console would use 'gpm' and their mouse. They just drag the mouse across the text to highlight it and then paste it (again with the mouse) into the place they want it, same console, another console, whatever.

I'm sure there are similar facilities in X, but I don't know.

HTH,

	    --terry


You wrote:

-=> Thanks for the ton of responses on this issue. I knew it hd to be something
-=> obvious.  Besides the Speakup cut/paste commands, is there a way to do
-=> something ike that with a linux command?
-=>
-=> Just for an example. I was wanting to add some people to abook but it
-=> doesn't like importing from a csv file. I was doing the cut/paste thing
-=> using speakup and going between consoles. Very cool. But I was just
-=> wondering how a sighted person, or someone not using Speakup might do a
-=> similar thing.
-=>
-=> from
-=> Keith H.
-=>
-=> OxyMoron:
-=> 5.  Terribly pleased
-=>
-=>
-=>
-=> _______________________________________________
-=> Speakup mailing list
-=> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=>


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Re: multi tasking

[Keith Heltsley]

Thanks for the ton of responses on this issue. I knew it hd to be something
obvious.  Besides the Speakup cut/paste commands, is there a way to do
something ike that with a linux command?

Just for an example. I was wanting to add some people to abook but it
doesn't like importing from a csv file. I was doing the cut/paste thing
using speakup and going between consoles. Very cool. But I was just
wondering how a sighted person, or someone not using Speakup might do a
similar thing.

from
Keith H.

OxyMoron:
5.  Terribly pleased

Re: multi tasking

[Thomas D. Ward]

Well, as far as files go you can copy and paiste things in Emacs.
You can block an area with ctrl+space, go to the end of the block do a  
ctrl+w to kill the area, and use ctrl+y to yank it back into that file, or 
yank into into another file.


A\\On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> Thanks for the ton of responses on this issue. I knew it hd to be something
> obvious.  Besides the Speakup cut/paste commands, is there a way to do
> something ike that with a linux command?
> 
> Just for an example. I was wanting to add some people to abook but it
> doesn't like importing from a csv file. I was doing the cut/paste thing
> using speakup and going between consoles. Very cool. But I was just
> wondering how a sighted person, or someone not using Speakup might do a
> similar thing.
> 
> from
> Keith H.
> 
> OxyMoron:
> 5.  Terribly pleased
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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Re: multi tasking

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Keith,
Without speakup, a sighted person would probably use the mouse to
cut and paste. "gpm" is a general purpose mouse program for text
consoles designed to do just that.

Chuck

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> Thanks for the ton of responses on this issue. I knew it hd to be something
> obvious.  Besides the Speakup cut/paste commands, is there a way to do
> something ike that with a linux command?
>
> Just for an example. I was wanting to add some people to abook but it
> doesn't like importing from a csv file. I was doing the cut/paste thing
> using speakup and going between consoles. Very cool. But I was just
> wondering how a sighted person, or someone not using Speakup might do a
> similar thing.
>
> from
> Keith H.
>
> OxyMoron:
> 5.  Terribly pleased
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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>

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Re: multi tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Keith H, you want an editor, not just a "Linux command".  Try VIM or
Emacs or Pico or Nano.  

Ann P.

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Re: multi tasking

[Toby Fisher]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> Without speakup, a sighted person would probably use the mouse to
> cut and paste. "gpm" is a general purpose mouse program for text
> consoles designed to do just that.

Yes, but what about if they don't have a mouse?  AFter all, it has been
proven that for such jobs in Windows, the keyboard can be faster, and
indeed there are typing pools etc that don't allow the use of mice.

Cheers.

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Re: multi tasking

[Dave Hunt]

I guess such a cutter/paster would like emacs?  Whatever app's the 
person's running, if there are emacs modes for them, the user has a 
"clipboard" common to all.


-Dave
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Toby Fisher wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > Without speakup, a sighted person would probably use the mouse to
> > cut and paste. "gpm" is a general purpose mouse program for text
> > consoles designed to do just that.
> 
> Yes, but what about if they don't have a mouse?  AFter all, it has been
> proven that for such jobs in Windows, the keyboard can be faster, and
> indeed there are typing pools etc that don't allow the use of mice.

Re: multi tasking

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Keith,
Yes, GPM has a system wide clipboard like that, but I do not know
of another way to do that sort of thing on text consoles without
either speakup or GPM and a mouse. Someone pointed out that emacs
has its own clipboard, and since you can have several
applications open in their own emacs windows, you could do that
in an emacs environment.

If I can anticipate the need to copy something from the screen I
can redirect a program's output to a file and then isolate the
desired stuff in the file, or else run the 'script' program,
which also captures keyboard/screen text to a log file.

I agree though, the cut and paste feature of speakup is a real
winner.

Chuck

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> I guess I forgot about using a mouse pointer to select text. What I was also
> wondering about is how would a person copy to a central clipboard?
>
> For example you have pine open and copy a snippet of text and want to paste
> it into a totally separate program. nano, emacs, vi, or something else. They
> wouldn't all have the same paste command and they would probably not be able
> to access the clip board memory that was originally used in the program you
> cut it from. Is that what that GPM does?
>
> Since SpeakUp has that really cool copy/paste feature, I'm not too concerned
> about the issue. I was just curious to know how my sighted counterparts
> would handle the same thing.
>
> from
> Keith H.
>
>
> --- You Wrote ---
> > Without speakup, a sighted person would probably use the mouse to
> > cut and paste. "gpm" is a general purpose mouse program for text
> > consoles designed to do just that.
>
>
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Re: multi tasking

[Keith Heltsley]

I guess I forgot about using a mouse pointer to select text. What I was also
wondering about is how would a person copy to a central clipboard?

For example you have pine open and copy a snippet of text and want to paste
it into a totally separate program. nano, emacs, vi, or something else. They
wouldn't all have the same paste command and they would probably not be able
to access the clip board memory that was originally used in the program you
cut it from. Is that what that GPM does?

Since SpeakUp has that really cool copy/paste feature, I'm not too concerned
about the issue. I was just curious to know how my sighted counterparts
would handle the same thing.

from
Keith H.


--- You Wrote ---
> Without speakup, a sighted person would probably use the mouse to
> cut and paste. "gpm" is a general purpose mouse program for text
> consoles designed to do just that.