linux on a windows box

linux on a windows box

[alex wallis]

Hi list.
I'm very new to linux, in fact i'm really only used to windows.
However I have a question I was hoping someone might be able to help me 
with.
At the moment i'm using a laptop with 512 mb of ram, and a 1.80 ghz 
processor, running windows xp home.
I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go 
down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run linux 
under vmware.
As I understand it it is very tricky to get a screen reader working in a 
vmware environment anyway.
The option i'd like to use I found out about recently is something called 
colinux
available from
www.colinux.org
I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting linux 
setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
I tried asking on the colinux mailing list but Nobody seemed to no anything 
so thought i'd come to you guys.
Thanks for your help.
Alex. 

Re: linux on a windows box

[Gaijin]

On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:13:53PM -0000, alex wallis wrote:
> I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go 
> down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run linux 
> under vmware.

Hello and welcome to the list,

	Have you ever heard of "LiveCDs?"  Dunno if 512 is enough memory
to run everything you might want, but LiveCDs run in memory alone.  Just
pop in the CD and start the machine, and voila, you're running Linux.
Unless you manage to mount the Windows partition and try to write things
there, it doesn't even touch the hard drive.  There are a few flavors of
linux that offer LiveCDs, like Ubuntu, GRML, , Fedora (I think), and 
Oralux, to name a few.  They'll even get you online if your system isn't
too complicated.  Anyway, you can use those to play around in linux and
see if you like it and leave Windows as-is.  Documentation is usually
included right on the CD and can be viewed with Windows Notepad or a web
browser  Get yourself a few blank CDs and try them all.  I run Debian
(no LiveCD) because of the package (software) manager is the best in the
biz, and 99.9% of the time you don't have to search the web to find any
software.  The entire collection can be installed with multiple
front-ends to the dpkg program (Debian's package manager), or go the
command line route and just type 'aptitude install <package' to connect
to debian.org, download and install the program.  HTH,

			Michael

Re: linux on a windows box

[alex wallis]

Hi. So where can i download some of these live cds?
and if I install a package, does it get installed on the cd, or the hd?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:13:53PM -0000, alex wallis wrote:
>> I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go
>> down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run 
>> linux
>> under vmware.
>
> Hello and welcome to the list,
>
> Have you ever heard of "LiveCDs?"  Dunno if 512 is enough memory
> to run everything you might want, but LiveCDs run in memory alone.  Just
> pop in the CD and start the machine, and voila, you're running Linux.
> Unless you manage to mount the Windows partition and try to write things
> there, it doesn't even touch the hard drive.  There are a few flavors of
> linux that offer LiveCDs, like Ubuntu, GRML, , Fedora (I think), and
> Oralux, to name a few.  They'll even get you online if your system isn't
> too complicated.  Anyway, you can use those to play around in linux and
> see if you like it and leave Windows as-is.  Documentation is usually
> included right on the CD and can be viewed with Windows Notepad or a web
> browser  Get yourself a few blank CDs and try them all.  I run Debian
> (no LiveCD) because of the package (software) manager is the best in the
> biz, and 99.9% of the time you don't have to search the web to find any
> software.  The entire collection can be installed with multiple
> front-ends to the dpkg program (Debian's package manager), or go the
> command line route and just type 'aptitude install <package' to connect
> to debian.org, download and install the program.  HTH,
>
> Michael
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, alex wallis wrote:

> Hi. So where can i download some of these live cds?

I haven't been following.
But ubuntu:
www.google.com
Or www.ubuntu.com
Google may find it easier...

Dunno about the rest, although it would be nice to test speakup.
Because a linux gui isn't really that accessible. The cli is the best part 
about it.

> and if I install a package, does it get installed on the cd, or the hd?

Well a temp dir I guess on the cd. But it is removed on shutdown.
So install lots of stuff while you are booted. But as soon as you shutdown 
your computer it all goes except the default packages included like:
gnome, open office, orca, brltty, firefox etc.
Its just
apt-get install whatever
or apt-cache search
You need sudo for some things too obviously.

-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

RE: linux on a windows box

[Georgina]

Hi. So where can i download some of these live cds?
and if I install a package, does it get installed on the cd, or the hd?

I'd already answered this one.  Looking for yourself doesn't hurt.  Live
CD's are all kept in RAM so it is not on the disk nor the CD.  Unless you
mount your hard disk and write to it.  Owing to the specs you stated I
recommended GRML so a search in your favourite search engine will give you
all the information you need.

Gena

Re: linux on a windows box

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:19:17AM -0000, alex wallis wrote:
> Hi. So where can i download some of these live cds?
> and if I install a package, does it get installed on the cd, or the hd?

	LiveCDs don't get installed.  You might write a few config files
to the floppy or hard drive so that you don't have to repeat
everything you told it the last time it was booted..  You could even
remove the hard drive and it would run.  You can find the CD images
(usually .ISO files) on the distribution site or their mirrors.  Windows
might require something like ISO-Recorder (forget the URL).  It's a
nifty free program that lets you double-click an .ISO file and write it
to CD.  You can use WinRAR to view the contents of .ISO images from
Windows.  You should also be able to order the CDs from websites like
cheapbytes.com.  I've always had good results from them.

			Michael

Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Gaijin wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:19:17AM -0000, alex wallis wrote:
>> Hi. So where can i download some of these live cds?
>> and if I install a package, does it get installed on the cd, or the hd?
>
> 	LiveCDs don't get installed.  You might write a few config files

I don't think that was his question.
I already answered this. But I think he means packages like from apt or 
from deb files or built from source.

-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: linux on a windows box

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

WinRAR is not free.  It's a commercial package with a free trial 
period.  It isn't command line friendly unless you just get the 
extractor which I think only supports opening .rar files.  A better 
option is 7-zip which is free and open source.  It also supports viewing 
and extracting .iso files.  http://www.7-zip.org/  You'll need to get 
the command line package separately.  The GUI file manager is very 
accessible.

Gaijin wrote:
> to CD.  You can use WinRAR to view the contents of .ISO images from
> Windows.  You should also be able to order the CDs from websites like
> cheapbytes.com.  I've always had good results from them.
>   

Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Kelly Sapergia]

>Hi,
    I don't know what GRML is like (I've got the live CD but haven't 
burned it yet), but at least with Ubuntu's CD, I couldn't really do 
much after loading it. I was able to try navigating it's equivalent 
to the Start Menu, but couldn't seem to activate anything like the 
OpenOffice word processor. I'm assuming you'd have to install Ubuntu 
fully onto the hard drive for the applications to work correctly. 
Other than that, the live CD's a good way to get up and running and 
try the system out.
    Thanks.


Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
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Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Kelly Sapergia wrote:

> much after loading it. I was able to try navigating it's equivalent
> to the Start Menu, but couldn't seem to activate anything like the

Start menu? Do you mean the applications menu?
Don't know what you mean by that.

Try alt f1.

> OpenOffice word processor. I'm assuming you'd have to install Ubuntu
> fully onto the hard drive for the applications to work correctly.

Then wouldn't that defeat the purpose of a livecd?

It is for you to try  out a full system and see how it goes before 
installing.

To open up writer:
-alt f1
-Navigate to office menu
-Then enter on that and arrow down to wordprocessor or open office writer.
It may be called open office wordprocessor...
Dunno, I don't use ubuntu.

> Other than that, the live CD's a good way to get up and running and
> try the system out.

So what is your question then? First you say you can't do things and now 
its a great idea? I don't understand how it can be so good when you 
couldn't test what you wanted.

Now that I told you how to get to the menus you should have some more 
luck.
Also alt control f1 will give you a full screen console.
And alt f2 will give you the run dialog.

-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Kelly Sapergia]

>Hi Daniel,
    What I said was that when I got the live CD running, I was able 
to look at the Applications menu with Alt+F1, which is similar to 
Windows' Start Menu function. When I went to OpenOffice and pressed 
Enter on the word processor, nothing appeared to happen, as far as I 
know anyway.
    Hope this makes more sense.


Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com

Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Kelly Sapergia wrote:

>
>> Hi Daniel,
>    What I said was that when I got the live CD running, I was able
> to look at the Applications menu with Alt+F1, which is similar to
> Windows' Start Menu function. When I went to OpenOffice and pressed

Ok then.

> Enter on the word processor, nothing appeared to happen, as far as I
> know anyway.

You could try pressing alt tab a few times after waighting a while. Or 
just open a ms word file...
Is this v7.10?

-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

I'm very surprised at this.  I had no problem running Firefox and a 
media player.  Jus hit Alt+F1, use the arrows as you would in Windows 
and Enter to run a program.  It's very slow but it worked well enough 
for me.  I didn't like it because I was limited to software speech and 
no Speakup support.  I went with grml and am happy with it.

Kelly Sapergia wrote:
>   I don't know what GRML is like (I've got the live CD but haven't 
> burned it yet), but at least with Ubuntu's CD, I couldn't really do 
> much after loading it. I was able to try navigating it's equivalent 
> to the Start Menu, but couldn't seem to activate anything like the 
> OpenOffice word processor. I'm assuming you'd have to install Ubuntu 
> fully onto the hard drive for the applications to work correctly. 
>   

Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Kelly Sapergia]

>Hi Tony,
    Thanks, I probably didn't wait long enough or something. I'll 
have to try it again sometime.


Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com

Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Gene Collins]

Hi Kelly.  Your problem is that Gnome isn't completely like Windows, so
some things are a bit different.  For one thing, when you hit alt f1 to
access the main menu, the enter key does not open a submenu.  You need
to use the right arrow key for that.  The other thing you might be aware
of is that the Gnome desktop typically comes with top and bottom pannels
in addition to the standard desktop area.  Use control alt tab to cycle
between these areas of the screen, and alt tab to move between open
applications. This is not a complete list of all the keyboard shortcuts,
but should be enough to get you started.  Oh yes, the enter key does
open an application when it is highlighted in a menu.  You rarely have
submenus within submenus that require the right arrow a second time, but
there are a few instances.  Hope this helps.

Gene


>
>>Hi Tony,
>    Thanks, I probably didn't wait long enough or something. I'll 
>have to try it again sometime.
>
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>Kelly John Sapergia
>Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
>Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
>01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
>Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
>Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
>If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
>affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Live CDs was Re: linux on a windows box

[Kelly Sapergia]

>Hi Gene,
    Thanks for letting me know about those commands. I didn't know 
the desktop was laid out like that.


Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Need to relax and unwind? Listen to "Northern Lights", Thursdays from 
01:00 to 03:00 GMT (Wednesdays in North America) on ACB (American 
Council of the Blind) Radio Interactive at http://interactive.acbradio.org
Visit the show's website at http://nl.ksapergia.net
If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an 
affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com

Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Gaijin wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:13:53PM -0000, alex wallis wrote:
>> I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go
>> down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run linux
>> under vmware.
>
> Hello and welcome to the list,
>
> 	Have you ever heard of "LiveCDs?"  Dunno if 512 is enough memory
> to run everything you might want, but LiveCDs run in memory alone.  Just

512 mb is plenty to run a livecd with everything. How much do you want?
I am running gnome here on 256 mb of ram its slow so 512 is good. (I 
tested this a while ago.)

> pop in the CD and start the machine, and voila, you're running Linux.

Well yeah if it goes smovely.
What if speech won't start? Or perhaps it won't boot for some reason. Or 
you may need to go into your bios and adjust boot-order.

> Unless you manage to mount the Windows partition and try to write things
> there, it doesn't even touch the hard drive.  There are a few flavors of

Well yeah. ok. But it is mounted automatically.

> linux that offer LiveCDs, like Ubuntu, GRML, , Fedora (I think), and
> Oralux, to name a few.  They'll even get you online if your system isn't
> too complicated.  Anyway, you can use those to play around in linux and

They will. Like most distroe installers would too.

> see if you like it and leave Windows as-is.  Documentation is usually
> included right on the CD and can be viewed with Windows Notepad or a web
> browser  Get yourself a few blank CDs and try them all.  I run Debian

Why not read the documentation in ubuntu or whatever?
And read the man pages!

> (no LiveCD) because of the package (software) manager is the best in the
> biz, and 99.9% of the time you don't have to search the web to find any
> software.  The entire collection can be installed with multiple

Well that's true. But ubuntu uses apt to.
And I have never used yum so can't comment yet.

-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

RE: linux on a windows box

[Georgina]

I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting linux

setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?

I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software synth
and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned of
having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech.  Then
there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux names
of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
begin to consider.

I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
have a vested interest proffer an opinion.

But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?

Gena
Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com

Re: linux on a windows box

[alex wallis]

Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help?
So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?
I considered microsoft virtual pc, but the problem with that is i'd need xp 
pro to run it.
My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really wanting 
the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and at 
the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find a 
solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would 
like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project gets 
upgraded.
But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at the 
same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a 
serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux 
looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less 
resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
Thanks for your help.
Alex.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: linux on a windows box


>
> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting 
> linux
>
> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
>
> I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
> difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
> which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
> would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software 
> synth
> and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned 
> of
> having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech. 
> Then
> there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux names
> of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
> system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
> begin to consider.
>
> I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
> catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
> have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
>
> But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
> whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
>
> Gena
> Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

RE: linux on a windows box

[Tom Moore]

I'm not sure how fast Colinux would run on your machine for compiling
things.
Any time you run a machine in a virtual environment on older hardware there
will be a major reduction in speed because of the virtual layer.
Newer machines have better processors that have hardware virtualization
built in to them to assist in running guest machines like what your looking
to do.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of alex wallis
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:25 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box

Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help?
So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?
I considered microsoft virtual pc, but the problem with that is i'd need xp 
pro to run it.
My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really wanting 
the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and at

the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find a 
solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would 
like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project gets 
upgraded.
But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at the 
same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a 
serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux 
looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less 
resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
Thanks for your help.
Alex.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: linux on a windows box


>
> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting 
> linux
>
> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
>
> I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
> difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
> which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
> would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software 
> synth
> and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned 
> of
> having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech. 
> Then
> there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux names
> of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
> system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
> begin to consider.
>
> I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
> catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
> have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
>
> But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
> whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
>
> Gena
> Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 


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RE: linux on a windows box

[Georgina]

Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help? 

Well you can put a live CD on a USB stick and right to the stick.  Or use a
combination of a Live CD and USB stick.  Of course the stick will take a
hammering by compiling stuff but there cheap enough.

Take a look at GRML, ideal I would have thought for what you want.  I've put
GRML on a 1Gig USB stick.  It would be easy to insert the swspeakup command
in the syslinux.cfg so it'd come up talking all the time.

I've got a 120Gig external sata 2.5 hard disk that requires no power supply.
I've installed Fedora upon it and can boot it from my Asus eee PC.  When
I've refined my process and hardware, I'll be producing them to custom
orders.  
 
Take care.

Gena

Re: linux on a windows box

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:25:09PM -0000, alex wallis wrote:
> So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?

No, vmware isn't the only virtual machine emulator out there. I can
think of at least 2 more, and there might even be more that I'm not
aware of.

The first one is qemu

http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/

which I myself didn't like that much, but others on here have
reportedly had great success using it to run gnu/linux under windows.

Another product which I personally use, and am for the most part happy
with is virtualbox:

http://www.virtualbox.org

Its major drawback is that the gui is for the most part
inaccessible. However, if you don't mind using the vboxmanage.exe
command-line management program, you can do everything from creating
to running to managing virtual machines. Also note that as of now,
though virtualbox supports presenting physical serial ports to the
guest there is a handshake problem which others including myself have
reported, but which innotek hasn't acknowledged so far. What this
means to you is that you can install a distribution of gnu/linux
inside virtualbox using speakup and a hardware speech synth, but for
long-term use, you'll want to setup software speech. I'm running
virtualbox on a system with a 1.1 GHz cpu with 512Mb of RAM, and it's
running nicely. The virtual machine I have configured in virtualbox is
a debian gnu/linux distribution running in text mode (no gui via
gnome/orca) which has 128Mb of RAM assigned to it, and it runs very
nicely for me using software speech pretty much all of the time, as
opposed to using a hardware synth. Hth somewhat at least.

Greg


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Re: linux on a windows box

[Kerry Hoath]

vmware runs in 512 megs of ram; I have no idea what you are worried about.
We have a whole pile of shrilankan students in the cisco program that run 
vmware and Linux in 512, Linux only needs 64-128 megs of ram if you are 
telnetting to it.
leave 256 for windows, and 256 or less for your guest operating systems.

If all you are doing is compiling rockbox 64 megs of ram for the guest aught 
to do it; 128 if you run out.

I have documentation on how to find the virtual machine's ip address so you 
can teraterm in; we had to write it for the cisco courses we run.
Let me know if you want a copy;
the vmware area is locked down for security reasons.
website is at www.cucat.org/ which should e up in a few days.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alex wallis" <alexwallis646@googlemail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help?
> So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?
> I considered microsoft virtual pc, but the problem with that is i'd need 
> xp
> pro to run it.
> My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really wanting
> the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and 
> at
> the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find 
> a
> solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would
> like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project 
> gets
> upgraded.
> But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at the
> same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a
> serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux
> looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less
> resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
> Thanks for your help.
> Alex.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM
> Subject: RE: linux on a windows box
>
>
>>
>> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting
>> linux
>>
>> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
>>
>> I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
>> difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
>> which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
>> would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software
>> synth
>> and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned
>> of
>> having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech.
>> Then
>> there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux 
>> names
>> of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
>> system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
>> begin to consider.
>>
>> I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
>> catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
>> have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
>>
>> But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
>> whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
>>
>> Gena
>> Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: linux on a windows box

[alex wallis]

Hi. I would be interested in having that documentation, How exactly though 
would I put together a virtual machine, that was patched in order to speak?
There is a virtual machine that has been put together by the guys at 
rockbox.org, but it is a very basic package, and does not come with a screen 
reader, so I think i'd need to create my own virtual machine for vmware.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> vmware runs in 512 megs of ram; I have no idea what you are worried about.
> We have a whole pile of shrilankan students in the cisco program that run
> vmware and Linux in 512, Linux only needs 64-128 megs of ram if you are
> telnetting to it.
> leave 256 for windows, and 256 or less for your guest operating systems.
>
> If all you are doing is compiling rockbox 64 megs of ram for the guest 
> aught
> to do it; 128 if you run out.
>
> I have documentation on how to find the virtual machine's ip address so 
> you
> can teraterm in; we had to write it for the cisco courses we run.
> Let me know if you want a copy;
> the vmware area is locked down for security reasons.
> website is at www.cucat.org/ which should e up in a few days.
> Regards, Kerry.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "alex wallis" <alexwallis646@googlemail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: linux on a windows box
>
>
>> Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help?
>> So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?
>> I considered microsoft virtual pc, but the problem with that is i'd need
>> xp
>> pro to run it.
>> My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really 
>> wanting
>> the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and
>> at
>> the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find
>> a
>> solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would
>> like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project
>> gets
>> upgraded.
>> But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at 
>> the
>> same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a
>> serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux
>> looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less
>> resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Alex.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
>> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: linux on a windows box
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting
>>> linux
>>>
>>> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
>>>
>>> I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
>>> difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial 
>>> devices
>>> which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
>>> would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software
>>> synth
>>> and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties 
>>> mentioned
>>> of
>>> having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech.
>>> Then
>>> there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux
>>> names
>>> of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
>>> system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
>>> begin to consider.
>>>
>>> I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
>>> catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
>>> have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
>>>
>>> But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you 
>>> investigate
>>> whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
>>>
>>> Gena
>>> Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, alex wallis wrote:

> Hi. I would be interested in having that documentation, How exactly though
> would I put together a virtual machine, that was patched in order to speak?

Well there is an ubuntu one with orca included. Perhaps just use that? And 
then you can use orca to install speakup?

But not sure how kernels are handled in vm images.

> There is a virtual machine that has been put together by the guys at
> rockbox.org, but it is a very basic package, and does not come with a screen
> reader, so I think i'd need to create my own virtual machine for vmware.

It certainly doesn't come with a screenreader, but I am not sure that I 
would call it basic.

If you realy wanted you could just ssh into that vm. Or you could just 
install my debian speakup kernel to it since its debian-based.

-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: linux on a windows box

[jeremy]

Not sure about the hole compiling thing, but, I do know that it works 
alot faster than it will on vmware as I have tried both. As far as 
serial, soundcard, usb etc, support, it seems that it is lacking, but, 
just to have something to mess around with, wich only takes like 10 
seconds to boot I may add is fun at least. It is really easy to get 
going to, so, that's a plus. All it takes is writing a little config 
file for it, unzipping the immage that it downloads for you and there ya 
go, as simple as that. As I said, the console that it uses is really 
accessible with jaws, so that's why I even messed with it.

Re: linux on a windows box

[Jerry Matheny]

If you want Linux like functionality in Windows why not use Cygwin? That is 
completely accessible with Windows screen reading technology, and has all 
your development tools, as well as a lot of the more common Linux packages. 
Hope this helps.


Best reguards,

Jerry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> Not sure about the hole compiling thing, but, I do know that it works
> alot faster than it will on vmware as I have tried both. As far as
> serial, soundcard, usb etc, support, it seems that it is lacking, but,
> just to have something to mess around with, wich only takes like 10
> seconds to boot I may add is fun at least. It is really easy to get
> going to, so, that's a plus. All it takes is writing a little config
> file for it, unzipping the immage that it downloads for you and there ya
> go, as simple as that. As I said, the console that it uses is really
> accessible with jaws, so that's why I even messed with it.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: linux on a windows box

[josh]

what console is this? there isn't an original message. puppy linux? 
 
email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> Not sure about the hole compiling thing, but, I do know that it works 
> alot faster than it will on vmware as I have tried both. As far as 
> serial, soundcard, usb etc, support, it seems that it is lacking, but, 
> just to have something to mess around with, wich only takes like 10 
> seconds to boot I may add is fun at least. It is really easy to get 
> going to, so, that's a plus. All it takes is writing a little config 
> file for it, unzipping the immage that it downloads for you and there ya 
> go, as simple as that. As I said, the console that it uses is really 
> accessible with jaws, so that's why I even messed with it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: linux on a windows box

[Nick Stockton]

Well first of all you said that your wanting to compile rockbox more quickly 
than it's able to be compiled in cygwin.
Just so you know new rockbox builds for all the supported platforms are 
generated every time the source is modified.
http://build.rockbox.org/
Now if your still wanting to run a copy of gnu/Linux, I think the best thing 
would be to run a full copy on another partition, unless you have a spare 
USB hard drive you don't mind using.
If you do have a spare USB hard drive then running the grml live cd and 
connecting the USB hard disk might be best for your purpose.
I've downloaded the rockbox source so I could make my own voice file for my 
player and it takes forever.
There are so many small files that even with a fast internet connection it 
drags along and so, unless you have a place to store the source you've 
downloaded, you will have to pull the complete source from svn every time 
you want to update, instead of doing a "svn update" command.
Now as far as running gnu/Linux under CoLinux goes I've tried it, and it's 
definantley not nearly as fast as a gnu/Linux distro running natively on a 
hard drive.
I wasn't able to get speakup working in it, I had to use jaws to read the 
screen and it wasn't as accessible as Cygwin's accessibility using jaws.
I'm not sure how well the two compare as far as speed of compiling goes but 
I doubt that CoLinux is much faster than Cygwin if at all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alex wallis" <alexwallis646@googlemail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help?
> So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?
> I considered microsoft virtual pc, but the problem with that is i'd need 
> xp
> pro to run it.
> My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really wanting
> the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and 
> at
> the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find 
> a
> solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would
> like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project 
> gets
> upgraded.
> But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at the
> same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a
> serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux
> looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less
> resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
> Thanks for your help.
> Alex.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM
> Subject: RE: linux on a windows box
>
>
>>
>> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting
>> linux
>>
>> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
>>
>> I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
>> difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
>> which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
>> would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software
>> synth
>> and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned
>> of
>> having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech.
>> Then
>> there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux 
>> names
>> of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
>> system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
>> begin to consider.
>>
>> I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
>> catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
>> have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
>>
>> But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
>> whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
>>
>> Gena
>> Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: linux on a windows box

[Tony Baechler]

Going back to my previous message, why do you need access to Windows at 
the same time? If it was me, I would either set up a multiboot since XP 
includes a boot manager anyway or use a live CD. I'm surprised that you 
find Cygwin slow on XP. It's not lightning fast for me but on XP it's 
not too bad. Do you have a more powerful desktop that you could use for 
Cygwin? I know it seems obvious but have you upgraded to the latest 
Cygwin version? What about MinGW? http://www.mingw.org/

alex wallis wrote:
> My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really wanting 
> the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and at 
> the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find a 
> solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would 
> like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project gets 
> upgraded.
> But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at the 
> same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a 
> serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux 
> looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less 
> resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
>   

Re: linux on a windows box

[alex wallis]

Hi. I considered minGW, and i checked out the site, but got completely 
confused and had no idea what to download or how to install it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: linux on a windows box


> Going back to my previous message, why do you need access to Windows at
> the same time? If it was me, I would either set up a multiboot since XP
> includes a boot manager anyway or use a live CD. I'm surprised that you
> find Cygwin slow on XP. It's not lightning fast for me but on XP it's
> not too bad. Do you have a more powerful desktop that you could use for
> Cygwin? I know it seems obvious but have you upgraded to the latest
> Cygwin version? What about MinGW? http://www.mingw.org/
>
> alex wallis wrote:
>> My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really 
>> wanting
>> the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and 
>> at
>> the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find 
>> a
>> solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would
>> like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project 
>> gets
>> upgraded.
>> But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at 
>> the
>> same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a
>> serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux
>> looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less
>> resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: linux on a windows box

[Alex Snow]

what about virtualbox?
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 11:25:09PM -0000, alex 
wallis wrote:
> Hi. I don't no about booting from USB devices, but how would that help?
> So does it look like using vmware might be the only option I have?
> I considered microsoft virtual pc, but the problem with that is i'd need xp 
> pro to run it.
> My problem is I don't have resources to run vmware, and i'm really wanting 
> the linux setup, because I use an OS on my mp3 player called rockbox, and at 
> the moment i use cygwin to compile it which is very slow. If i could find a 
> solution that was very fast and didn't take up loads of resources I would 
> like to be a machine they use to do there builds each time the project gets 
> upgraded.
> But at the moment so far as I can see, the only way I can do it and at the 
> same time still have access to windows would be to use vmware which is a 
> serious resource muncher. And I just couldn't do it. I thought colinux 
> looked a good option, so if anyone has any other ideas that are less 
> resource intensive than vmware i'd be interested.
> Thanks for your help.
> Alex.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM
> Subject: RE: linux on a windows box
> 
> 
> >
> > I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting 
> > linux
> >
> > setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
> >
> > I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
> > difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
> > which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
> > would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software 
> > synth
> > and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned 
> > of
> > having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech. 
> > Then
> > there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux names
> > of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
> > system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
> > begin to consider.
> >
> > I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
> > catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
> > have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
> >
> > But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
> > whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
> >
> > Gena
> > Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
But what can you do with it?
	-- ubiquitous cry from Linux-user partner

Re: linux on a windows box

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
    I have run CoLinux successfully off and on for a while now.  It didn't 
have Speakup, of course, and I don't think that Speakup is really an option 
in the CoLinux environment, but the performance is great.  The system is 
about as accessible as can be expected with a Windows screen reader, 
especially with the NT console.  If you fiddle enough with it, I think it's 
possible to get sound and such working, though that requires a Windows 
version of the Enlightened Sound Daemon, when last I checked.
    As far as using it for real everyday stuff, that's a harder thing.  It's 
excellent for playing with Linux though, getting a feel for it, etc.
Hope this helps,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: linux on a windows box


>
> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting 
> linux
>
> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
>
> I'd not heard of this project but having read the FAQ, it would be very
> difficult to get something working.  There's no mention of serial devices
> which are likely to be virtual within the colinux environment.  So this
> would not allow speakup's hardware synth support.  As for the software 
> synth
> and for speakup or orca, I'm not sure owing to the difficulties mentioned 
> of
> having to use a sound server which we already do for software speech. 
> Then
> there's the device names, not only would you need to learn the linux names
> of your hard disk, you'd also need to learn the colinux virtual naming
> system.  It certainly doesn't sound like something a newbie should even
> begin to consider.
>
> I must admit, I'm interested in this area as I'm setting up a business
> catering for this type of situation.  So I hope that someone who doesn't
> have a vested interest proffer an opinion.
>
> But how about using a external hard disk or USB pen?  Can you investigate
> whether your laptop can boot from USB devices?
>
> Gena
> Ready2GoLinux www.ready2golinux.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: linux on a windows box

[Kerry Hoath]

you will probably want more ram, put a gig in the thing and use vmware.
I have successfully donethat on a 1.4ghz laptop; ram is the key.
2x512 sticks of ddr aren't that expensive; sdram is a little more so.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alex wallis" <alexwallis646@googlemail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:13 AM
Subject: linux on a windows box


> Hi list.
> I'm very new to linux, in fact i'm really only used to windows.
> However I have a question I was hoping someone might be able to help me
> with.
> At the moment i'm using a laptop with 512 mb of ram, and a 1.80 ghz
> processor, running windows xp home.
> I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go
> down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run 
> linux
> under vmware.
> As I understand it it is very tricky to get a screen reader working in a
> vmware environment anyway.
> The option i'd like to use I found out about recently is something called
> colinux
> available from
> www.colinux.org
> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting 
> linux
> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?
> I tried asking on the colinux mailing list but Nobody seemed to no 
> anything
> so thought i'd come to you guys.
> Thanks for your help.
> Alex.
>
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Re: linux on a windows box

[jeremy]

Don't really need a screen reader, accept for your jaws or win eyes when 
using colinux as you can just use the normal cmd thing that comes with 
it, wich is accessible from the box with jaws 8 at least. Not all that 
good at how well it is when compared to a real linux, like in vmware, 
but, it does work.

Re: linux on a windows box

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, alex wallis wrote:

> Hi list.
> I'm very new to linux, in fact i'm really only used to windows.
> However I have a question I was hoping someone might be able to help me
> with.
> At the moment i'm using a laptop with 512 mb of ram, and a 1.80 ghz
> processor, running windows xp home.
> I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go
> down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run linux

What's wrong with dual-boot?
And wouldn't you want to move from windows to linux one day?

> under vmware.

Well those specks should run a vmware I guess...

> As I understand it it is very tricky to get a screen reader working in a
> vmware environment anyway.

Well no not really.

> The option i'd like to use I found out about recently is something called
> colinux
> available from
> www.colinux.org
> I was wondering has anyone had experience with using this, and getting linux
> setup using it and obviously running a screen reader?

No. But I still think your better off with a full install of linux to your 
hard disk.

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Re: linux on a windows box

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 07:52:48PM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> What's wrong with dual-boot?

What's wrong with it is that in order to do it, you most likely need
to resize your ntfs partition, which is more tricky than it sounds. If
I personally were getting a machine with windows already preinstalled
on it, and using the entire drive, I would choose to run gnu/linux
under a virtual machine, rather than going the dual boot
route. Besides, one advantage of not dual booting is that you have
access to both operating systems at the same time.

Greg


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Re: linux on a windows box

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

Is there any reason why you don't want to do a multiboot setup?  It 
works fine with XP, Linux, Win98, etc.  You'll probably find it a lot 
easier and more stable that way.  Also, I had no problem with 
Window-Eyes and VMWare but I would recommend Microsoft Virtual PC 2007.  
VPC only runs on XP Pro though and I think so does VMWare.  There is an 
emulator called Bochs but I didn't have much luck with it.

alex wallis wrote:
> I'm wanting to get set up with a linux OS, but I don't really want to go 
> down the route of jewel boot, and I don't have enough resources to run linux 
> under vmware.
>   

Re: linux on a windows box

[Gregory Nowak]

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> There is an 
> emulator called Bochs but I didn't have much luck with it.

Bochs is a true emulator, as opposed to vmware for example, since it
literally emulates every x86 instruction, as opposed to passing some
instructions to the cpu, which is what
vmware/virtual-pc/birtualbox/qemu do. If you found vmware to be slow,
you'll find bochs to be lots, and I do mean lots slower. Bochs is good
for scenarios where you want to run for example windows xp on a Sun
spark, or something that is not based on the x86/x64 architecture.

Greg


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