Automating Bookshare

Automating Bookshare

[Steve Holmes]

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I'm thinking of setting up an automated script to use wget to pull the
latest newspaper from Bookshare; kind of like what is done on the Icon
device.  I casn save the appropriate link for my particular newspaper
and use variables to plug the desired date but where I run into
trouble is authentication.  Since you have to log into bookshare
first, it ends up being a multi-step process.  Is there any way to do
this  using wget?

See, I'm trying to implement a feature of the Icon without paying
$2000 plus for it:).

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RE: Automating Bookshare

[Dawes, Stephen]

Yes, wget has a user,password option. 
Don't quote me on it, but I think it is -u userid,passwd.
 


Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: 2008 February 20 10:24 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Automating Bookshare

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I'm thinking of setting up an automated script to use wget to pull the
latest newspaper from Bookshare; kind of like what is done on the Icon
device.  I casn save the appropriate link for my particular newspaper
and use variables to plug the desired date but where I run into trouble
is authentication.  Since you have to log into bookshare first, it ends
up being a multi-step process.  Is there any way to do this  using wget?

See, I'm trying to implement a feature of the Icon without paying $2000
plus for it:).

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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Steve Holmes]

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I ended up trying --user=<my user id> --password=<my password>
"http://www.bookshare.org/web/DownloadPeriodical.html?publishtitleid=arizona_republic&date=1203494400&format=1"
But I still only got an HTML file stating that I'm not logged in.  I
think the command line parms for user and password only work with relm
based authentication.  I don't think bookshare is using relm based
authentication, given that they have an actual login panel and a
logout option.  Relm based authentication passes the user-id and
password with every http request.  So I somehow need to walk through
the login sequence with wget and then request the link to the
newspaper I want.  Does this make more sense?

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:04:17AM -0700, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> Yes, wget has a user,password option. 
> Don't quote me on it, but I think it is -u userid,passwd.
>  
> 
> 
> Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> Management Systems Analyst 
> Information Technology #8480                    |  Phone: (403) 268-5527
> 
> The City of Calgary                             |  Fax:   (403) 268-6423
> 
>    PO Box 2100 Postal Station M.                |  Email:
> Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca 
>    Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5            |  Web:
> http://www.calgary.ca
> 
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> 
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> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
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> I'm thinking of setting up an automated script to use wget to pull the
> latest newspaper from Bookshare; kind of like what is done on the Icon
> device.  I casn save the appropriate link for my particular newspaper
> and use variables to plug the desired date but where I run into trouble
> is authentication.  Since you have to log into bookshare first, it ends
> up being a multi-step process.  Is there any way to do this  using wget?
> 
> See, I'm trying to implement a feature of the Icon without paying $2000
> plus for it:).
> 
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RE: Automating Bookshare

[Dawes, Stephen]

Yes,

Have you tried lftp? You can script it as well. You call the lftp script
as follows:
lftp -f {sScriptFileName}
I use this method to get books from places that require a login when I
am wanting to download information
I can send you a sample lftp script offline if you like.
 



Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca

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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: 2008 February 20 1:48 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Automating Bookshare

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I ended up trying --user=<my user id> --password=<my password>
"http://www.bookshare.org/web/DownloadPeriodical.html?publishtitleid=ari
zona_republic&date=1203494400&format=1"
But I still only got an HTML file stating that I'm not logged in.  I
think the command line parms for user and password only work with relm
based authentication.  I don't think bookshare is using relm based
authentication, given that they have an actual login panel and a logout
option.  Relm based authentication passes the user-id and password with
every http request.  So I somehow need to walk through the login
sequence with wget and then request the link to the newspaper I want.
Does this make more sense?

RE: Automating Bookshare

[Steve Dawes]

Here is a sample lftp script.
I have documented it for you to understand what you need to do to make it
work.
Lines starting with a # are the comments.
To call a lftp script do the following:
lftp -f SampleScript.lftp

SampleScript.lftp
# LFTP script to automate a file(s) transfer.

# Log into the desired Web site with your userid and password.
If you do not need a userid and password, remove the "-u userid,password"
from the next line.
open -u USERID,PASSWORD URL
#UReplace USERID,PASSWORD with your login information.
# URL E.G. https//your.domain.com/ (NOTE the "/" at the end of the line is
important)

# Change the local directory to where you want to store the downloaded
files.
lcd MyDownloads

# Change to the location of the files to be transferred.
cd FileLocation/ # (Again the "/" is necessary)

# now get the file(s)
mget **.FileExtention # (change mget to get for a single file)
# to get a directory, use
# mirror DirectoryName/ (the "/" is not necessary)

# Log out
bye

# End-of-script

If you have any questions, let me know.
HTH

Steve Dawes
Calgary Canada.

Re: Automating Bookshare

[Steve Holmes]

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Hey thanks for the script; I forget how powerful lftp is sometimes.
However, I don't think this will work with Bookshare as they use what
looks like CGI links to invoke the downloaded items also, they use a
standard login form to get logged in.  I looked at the wget man page
and figured out a possible solution but it still doesn't work for me.
I have to runs of wget.  The first establishes the login or it is
supposed to.  It also saves cookies so they can be picked up with the
second pass of wget. The second pass tries to get the actual newspaper
issue.  The first pass appears to run dispite warnings about
certificate validation problems but the second pass still gives me an
error page claiming I wasn't logged in so for whatever reason, the
login sequence isn't working.  It obviously works when I do it
manually.

Now since lftp supports http, there might be something there for me;
I'll have to see what happens with the CGI link.  I obviously can't us
get/mget for this situation.  I'm curious as to how the Level Star
folks do it for the Icon.

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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Brent Harding]

That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a program 
that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as 
the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2 video 
into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for 
Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder to 
.wav's in another and then delete the original video files.

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From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Automating Bookshare


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> Hey thanks for the script; I forget how powerful lftp is sometimes.
> However, I don't think this will work with Bookshare as they use what
> looks like CGI links to invoke the downloaded items also, they use a
> standard login form to get logged in.  I looked at the wget man page
> and figured out a possible solution but it still doesn't work for me.
> I have to runs of wget.  The first establishes the login or it is
> supposed to.  It also saves cookies so they can be picked up with the
> second pass of wget. The second pass tries to get the actual newspaper
> issue.  The first pass appears to run dispite warnings about
> certificate validation problems but the second pass still gives me an
> error page claiming I wasn't logged in so for whatever reason, the
> login sequence isn't working.  It obviously works when I do it
> manually.
>
> Now since lftp supports http, there might be something there for me;
> I'll have to see what happens with the CGI link.  I obviously can't us
> get/mget for this situation.  I'm curious as to how the Level Star
> folks do it for the Icon.
>
> - -- 
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> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://holmesgrown.ld.net/
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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Tyler Spivey]

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converting movies to .wav is easy under Linux, with the help of zsh.

for i in *.mpg;do
mplayer -vc null -vo null -ao pcm:file="${i:r}.wav" "$i" &&
rm "$i";done

a bit of explanation: the[ && symbols after the command says run the rm
command only if the first command (in this case mplayer) succeeded.
the ${i:r} is a zsh specific extension that will strip the extension off
the filename in $i.

If you wanted to do this in windows, I have no idea how you would string
the two commands together - but here's a line out of my useful commands
file that should get you headed on the right path:

for %i in (*.avi) do d:\mplayer\mplayer -vc null -vo null -dumpaudio -dumpfile "%~ni.mp3" "%i"

- - Tyler

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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Alex Snow]

Yeah but the problem with this is it still tries to use http 
authentication, which won't work for bookshare.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 
06:10:27PM -0700, Steve Dawes wrote:
> Here is a sample lftp script.
> I have documented it for you to understand what you need to do to make it
> work.
> Lines starting with a # are the comments.
> To call a lftp script do the following:
> lftp -f SampleScript.lftp
> 
> SampleScript.lftp
> # LFTP script to automate a file(s) transfer.
> 
> # Log into the desired Web site with your userid and password.
> If you do not need a userid and password, remove the "-u userid,password"
> from the next line.
> open -u USERID,PASSWORD URL
> #UReplace USERID,PASSWORD with your login information.
> # URL E.G. https//your.domain.com/ (NOTE the "/" at the end of the line is
> important)
> 
> # Change the local directory to where you want to store the downloaded
> files.
> lcd MyDownloads
> 
> # Change to the location of the files to be transferred.
> cd FileLocation/ # (Again the "/" is necessary)
> 
> # now get the file(s)
> mget **.FileExtention # (change mget to get for a single file)
> # to get a directory, use
> # mirror DirectoryName/ (the "/" is not necessary)
> 
> # Log out
> bye
> 
> # End-of-script
> 
> If you have any questions, let me know.
> HTH
> 
> Steve Dawes
> Calgary Canada.
> 
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> > Other than the fact Linux has a cool name, could someone explain why I
> > should use Linux over BSD?
>
> No.  That's it.  The cool name, that is.  We worked very hard on
> creating a name that would appeal to the majority of people, and it
> certainly paid off: thousands of people are using linux just to be able
> to say "OS/2? Hah.  I've got Linux.  What a cool name".  386BSD made the
> mistake of putting a lot of numbers and weird abbreviations into the
> name, and is scaring away a lot of people just because it sounds too
> technical.
	-- Linus Torvalds' follow-up to a question about Linux

Re: Automating Bookshare

[Alex Snow]

That wouldn't be so hard to do...I just forget the correct 
syntax...but as long as you have mencoder from Mplayer you can do it 
easily from the command line
On 
Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a program 
> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as 
> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2 video 
> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for 
> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder to 
> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Automating Bookshare
> 
> 
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> > Hey thanks for the script; I forget how powerful lftp is sometimes.
> > However, I don't think this will work with Bookshare as they use what
> > looks like CGI links to invoke the downloaded items also, they use a
> > standard login form to get logged in.  I looked at the wget man page
> > and figured out a possible solution but it still doesn't work for me.
> > I have to runs of wget.  The first establishes the login or it is
> > supposed to.  It also saves cookies so they can be picked up with the
> > second pass of wget. The second pass tries to get the actual newspaper
> > issue.  The first pass appears to run dispite warnings about
> > certificate validation problems but the second pass still gives me an
> > error page claiming I wasn't logged in so for whatever reason, the
> > login sequence isn't working.  It obviously works when I do it
> > manually.
> >
> > Now since lftp supports http, there might be something there for me;
> > I'll have to see what happens with the CGI link.  I obviously can't us
> > get/mget for this situation.  I'm curious as to how the Level Star
> > folks do it for the Icon.
> >
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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Gaijin]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a program 
> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as 
> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2 video 
> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for 
> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder to 
> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
:End-Quote:

	If all you need is a more powerful kind of DOS, you might
look into JP Software's 4DOS.  They used to have a version of it for
Win95, but that was the last time I looked.  Haven't a clue what they
have now, but the old 4DOS added some 70 batch commands to the mix with
a replacement for COMMAND.COM.  Made the DOS command line almost as
powerful as bash.

			Michael

Re: Automating Bookshare

[Brent Harding]

It sounds like you would have to make the script surf the web like a user 
would, going in to the user name box, putting it in, same for password, etc, 
but how on earth would you ever get it to do the search and pick the 
results? It sounds as hard as making a Windows GUI file converter convert 
every file in a directory, given you have nothing but tabbing and 
shift-tabbing specified numbers of times and hoping you land on what you 
need.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Automating Bookshare


> Yeah but the problem with this is it still tries to use http
> authentication, which won't work for bookshare.
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at
> 06:10:27PM -0700, Steve Dawes wrote:
>> Here is a sample lftp script.
>> I have documented it for you to understand what you need to do to make it
>> work.
>> Lines starting with a # are the comments.
>> To call a lftp script do the following:
>> lftp -f SampleScript.lftp
>>
>> SampleScript.lftp
>> # LFTP script to automate a file(s) transfer.
>>
>> # Log into the desired Web site with your userid and password.
>> If you do not need a userid and password, remove the "-u userid,password"
>> from the next line.
>> open -u USERID,PASSWORD URL
>> #UReplace USERID,PASSWORD with your login information.
>> # URL E.G. https//your.domain.com/ (NOTE the "/" at the end of the line 
>> is
>> important)
>>
>> # Change the local directory to where you want to store the downloaded
>> files.
>> lcd MyDownloads
>>
>> # Change to the location of the files to be transferred.
>> cd FileLocation/ # (Again the "/" is necessary)
>>
>> # now get the file(s)
>> mget **.FileExtention # (change mget to get for a single file)
>> # to get a directory, use
>> # mirror DirectoryName/ (the "/" is not necessary)
>>
>> # Log out
>> bye
>>
>> # End-of-script
>>
>> If you have any questions, let me know.
>> HTH
>>
>> Steve Dawes
>> Calgary Canada.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> -- 
>> > Other than the fact Linux has a cool name, could someone explain why I
>> > should use Linux over BSD?
>>
>> No.  That's it.  The cool name, that is.  We worked very hard on
>> creating a name that would appeal to the majority of people, and it
>> certainly paid off: thousands of people are using linux just to be able
>> to say "OS/2? Hah.  I've got Linux.  What a cool name".  386BSD made the
>> mistake of putting a lot of numbers and weird abbreviations into the
>> name, and is scaring away a lot of people just because it sounds too
>> technical.
> -- Linus Torvalds' follow-up to a question about Linux
>
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4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Tony Baechler]

Hi, 4DOS is still around but unsupported.  It runs under Win9X and XP, 
but for XP 4NT is probably better.  I assume it would run in dosemu 
under Linux but I haven't tested.  I don't know about FreeDOS.  JP 
Software stopped developing it many years ago but some in Bulgaria took 
over development.  I don't know if it's open source or not, but 
apparently the source was released by JP Software.  Look here: 
http://4dos.hit.bg/  Also, you can still get Wordperfect for DOS but you 
have to buy it.  http://wpdos.org/  I verified that WP for DOS works 
fine with Speakup.

Gaijin wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>   
>> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a program 
>> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as 
>> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2 video 
>> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for 
>> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder to 
>> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
>>     
> :End-Quote:
>
> 	If all you need is a more powerful kind of DOS, you might
> look into JP Software's 4DOS.  They used to have a version of it for
> Win95, but that was the last time I looked.  Haven't a clue what they
> have now, but the old 4DOS added some 70 batch commands to the mix with
> a replacement for COMMAND.COM.  Made the DOS command line almost as
> powerful as bash.
>
> 			Michael
>
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RE: Automating Bookshare

[Georgina]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a 
> program
> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as 
> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2
video 
> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for 
> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder
to 
> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
:End-Quote:
Doesn't tools like this meet your needs?

DVD Audio Ripper v4.0 
Only for Windows
DVD Audio Ripper is a software DVD movie soundtrack ripper, DVD to MP3
converter to rip DVD audio to MP3, WAV, AAC, AC3, OGG, RA, WMA and AU
formats. Using
DVD Audio Ripper, you can extract DVD audio, rip DVD movie soundtrack to mp3
and convert DVD to WAV with complete sound effects.
DVD Audio Ripper - DVD audio extractor and DVD sound track ripper to 
extract audio from DVDs, convert DVD to MP3, and rip DVD audio to WAV  

But as this is a linux list VLC looks promising.  Just try googling "mpeg2
to wav":

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Converting_AVI_to_MPEG-2_with_AviSynth_and_TMPG
Enc_Xpress#Extracting_WAV_audio

Gena

Re: Automating Bookshare

[Alex Snow]

there's also powershell from microsoft...
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 
10:50:42AM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> > That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a program 
> > that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as 
> > the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2 video 
> > into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for 
> > Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder to 
> > .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
> :End-Quote:
> 
> 	If all you need is a more powerful kind of DOS, you might
> look into JP Software's 4DOS.  They used to have a version of it for
> Win95, but that was the last time I looked.  Haven't a clue what they
> have now, but the old 4DOS added some 70 batch commands to the mix with
> a replacement for COMMAND.COM.  Made the DOS command line almost as
> powerful as bash.
> 
> 			Michael
> 
> 
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Marcel Oats]

Hi, Take Command is the software for XP.  You're right, it's not 
supported anymore, which is a pity.
Marcel
At 09:54 p.m. 22/02/2008, you wrote:
>Hi, 4DOS is still around but unsupported.  It runs under Win9X and XP,
>but for XP 4NT is probably better.  I assume it would run in dosemu
>under Linux but I haven't tested.  I don't know about FreeDOS.  JP
>Software stopped developing it many years ago but some in Bulgaria took
>over development.  I don't know if it's open source or not, but
>apparently the source was released by JP Software.  Look here:
>http://4dos.hit.bg/  Also, you can still get Wordperfect for DOS but you
>have to buy it.  http://wpdos.org/  I verified that WP for DOS works
>fine with Speakup.
>
>Gaijin wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> >> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I 
> have a program
> >> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as
> >> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the 
> mpeg-2 video
> >> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for
> >> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in 
> one folder to
> >> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
> >>
> > :End-Quote:
> >
> >       If all you need is a more powerful kind of DOS, you might
> > look into JP Software's 4DOS.  They used to have a version of it for
> > Win95, but that was the last time I looked.  Haven't a clue what they
> > have now, but the old 4DOS added some 70 batch commands to the mix with
> > a replacement for COMMAND.COM.  Made the DOS command line almost as
> > powerful as bash.
> >
> >                       Michael
> >
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Brent Harding]

Oh, and how would I use these to automate the GUI? All the docs out there, 
we all know they're normally geared mostly for sighted, depend on recording 
macros where I'd need to be able to directly click something, but how do you 
do that if you use a screen reader cursor? I'd need to record the act of 
where it clicked but not the screen reader commands. I'm trying to automate 
Imtoo Video to Audio converter, a program I use to convert mpeg-2 video 
files I record off my TV capture card. It has no shortcut keys in it to just 
use Autoit and send those to activate buttons, and I'd need to hit add and 
choose a file for each mpg in the list, meaning you would have to get the 
number of items in the list and arrow down consecutively enough to do it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)


> Hi, Take Command is the software for XP.  You're right, it's not
> supported anymore, which is a pity.
> Marcel
> At 09:54 p.m. 22/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi, 4DOS is still around but unsupported.  It runs under Win9X and XP,
>>but for XP 4NT is probably better.  I assume it would run in dosemu
>>under Linux but I haven't tested.  I don't know about FreeDOS.  JP
>>Software stopped developing it many years ago but some in Bulgaria took
>>over development.  I don't know if it's open source or not, but
>>apparently the source was released by JP Software.  Look here:
>>http://4dos.hit.bg/  Also, you can still get Wordperfect for DOS but you
>>have to buy it.  http://wpdos.org/  I verified that WP for DOS works
>>fine with Speakup.
>>
>>Gaijin wrote:
>> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I
>> have a program
>> >> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something 
>> >> as
>> >> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the
>> mpeg-2 video
>> >> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for
>> >> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in
>> one folder to
>> >> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
>> >>
>> > :End-Quote:
>> >
>> >       If all you need is a more powerful kind of DOS, you might
>> > look into JP Software's 4DOS.  They used to have a version of it for
>> > Win95, but that was the last time I looked.  Haven't a clue what they
>> > have now, but the old 4DOS added some 70 batch commands to the mix with
>> > a replacement for COMMAND.COM.  Made the DOS command line almost as
>> > powerful as bash.
>> >
>> >                       Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Brent Harding]

Actually, these probably wouldn't work because my files are already on my 
hard drive because I record them from my TV capture card, which works, do to 
Snapstream's web interface. I use Imtoo Video to Audio converter, but using 
Autoit or something to automate this seems like it'd be impossible because 
there's no keyboard shortcuts in the thing and I have no sighted people to 
directly click the buttons needed for their window info tool to give the 
necessary parameters for their mouse clicking functions.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Georgina" <gena@mga.demon.co.uk>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:09 AM
Subject: RE: Automating Bookshare


>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:53:59PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
>> That's one of those things I hate about Microsoft as well. I have a
>> program
>> that records TV for me off a tuner card, and I'd like to run something as
>> the command after the recording finishes that would convert the mpeg-2
> video
>> into .wav or some other audio. I don't think I could find a script for
>> Windows, much less Linux, that would convert all the .mpg's in one folder
> to
>> .wav's in another and then delete the original video files.
> :End-Quote:
> Doesn't tools like this meet your needs?
>
> DVD Audio Ripper v4.0
> Only for Windows
> DVD Audio Ripper is a software DVD movie soundtrack ripper, DVD to MP3
> converter to rip DVD audio to MP3, WAV, AAC, AC3, OGG, RA, WMA and AU
> formats. Using
> DVD Audio Ripper, you can extract DVD audio, rip DVD movie soundtrack to 
> mp3
> and convert DVD to WAV with complete sound effects.
> DVD Audio Ripper - DVD audio extractor and DVD sound track ripper to
> extract audio from DVDs, convert DVD to MP3, and rip DVD audio to WAV
>
> But as this is a linux list VLC looks promising.  Just try googling "mpeg2
> to wav":
>
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Converting_AVI_to_MPEG-2_with_AviSynth_and_TMPG
> Enc_Xpress#Extracting_WAV_audio
>
> Gena
>
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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Steve Holmes]

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Yeah, it is the login sequence that isn't working for me.  My last
attempt to login with a script used two itterations of wget and I
specified the wget command with the post variables for email and
password but I didn't get any real meaningful feedback to tell me if
the login was successful or not.  the second pass worked in the sense
that it requested the desired file but then I got back the error page
telling me that I was never logged in.

My ultimate goal was to have a script pull my daily newspaper from
bookshare and dump the thing onto an SD card so I could come up to my
computer in the morning and grab the card and pop it into my Victor
Reader Stream and groove on the day's news.:)  I heard people doing
that with the Icon small computer so figured there could be a way for
us to do it with shell script or something similar and yield the same
results.  In any case, it would be a fun project if I could get it to
work.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:49:46PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> It sounds like you would have to make the script surf the web like a user 
> would, going in to the user name box, putting it in, same for password, etc, 
> but how on earth would you ever get it to do the search and pick the 
> results? It sounds as hard as making a Windows GUI file converter convert 
> every file in a directory, given you have nothing but tabbing and 
> shift-tabbing specified numbers of times and hoping you land on what you 
> need.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Automating Bookshare
> 
> 
> > Yeah but the problem with this is it still tries to use http
> > authentication, which won't work for bookshare.
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at
> > 06:10:27PM -0700, Steve Dawes wrote:
> >> Here is a sample lftp script.
> >> I have documented it for you to understand what you need to do to make it
> >> work.
> >> Lines starting with a # are the comments.
> >> To call a lftp script do the following:
> >> lftp -f SampleScript.lftp
> >>
> >> SampleScript.lftp
> >> # LFTP script to automate a file(s) transfer.
> >>
> >> # Log into the desired Web site with your userid and password.
> >> If you do not need a userid and password, remove the "-u userid,password"
> >> from the next line.
> >> open -u USERID,PASSWORD URL
> >> #UReplace USERID,PASSWORD with your login information.
> >> # URL E.G. https//your.domain.com/ (NOTE the "/" at the end of the line 
> >> is
> >> important)
> >>
> >> # Change the local directory to where you want to store the downloaded
> >> files.
> >> lcd MyDownloads
> >>
> >> # Change to the location of the files to be transferred.
> >> cd FileLocation/ # (Again the "/" is necessary)
> >>
> >> # now get the file(s)
> >> mget **.FileExtention # (change mget to get for a single file)
> >> # to get a directory, use
> >> # mirror DirectoryName/ (the "/" is not necessary)
> >>
> >> # Log out
> >> bye
> >>
> >> # End-of-script
> >>
> >> If you have any questions, let me know.
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Steve Dawes
> >> Calgary Canada.
> >>
> >>
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> >> > should use Linux over BSD?
> >>
> >> No.  That's it.  The cool name, that is.  We worked very hard on
> >> creating a name that would appeal to the majority of people, and it
> >> certainly paid off: thousands of people are using linux just to be able
> >> to say "OS/2? Hah.  I've got Linux.  What a cool name".  386BSD made the
> >> mistake of putting a lot of numbers and weird abbreviations into the
> >> name, and is scaring away a lot of people just because it sounds too
> >> technical.
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gaijin]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 02:19:07PM -0600, Brent Harding wrote:
> Oh, and how would I use these to automate the GUI? All the docs out there, 
> we all know they're normally geared mostly for sighted, depend on recording 
> macros where I'd need to be able to directly click something, but how do you 
> do that if you use a screen reader cursor?
:End-Quote:

	I would try running your conversion program from the command
	prompt with your typical 'help' switches like '/?' or /h' after
the program name and see if there is any support for CLI operations,
then toss it into a for loop.  I don't use Windows all that much, and
your software not at all.  I haven't used DOS since version 6.23 and
Windows 3.11 some ten years ago.  I only boot the WinXP Pro laptop for
using FireFox...at least until they get Orca running well in Debian.
Microsoft is just another burden on an already too-tight budget.

			Michael

Re: Automating Bookshare

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

I'm surprised that no one has come up with a meaningful answer to this 
problem.  I can tell you right off what part of the problem is.  The 
cookie sent is a per-session cookie, meaning that it is not permanent 
and expires as soon as you close your browser.  So, wget is logging in 
the first time like you expect but then the cookie expires because wget 
closes the connection.  What you might do is look at curl which has more 
features in this department, but you're probably out of luck with a 
noninteractive file grabber.

What you need to do is somehow script a browser.  I haven't seriously 
studied this program, but edbrowse comes to mind.  It also supports 
Javascript which wget doesn't.  I have no idea how you would script it 
to do what you want, but the idea is that it's like the ed line editor 
so there should be a way to do what you want.  Other than that, you 
would have to get a keyboard macro package (is there such a thing for 
linux?) and set it up to log in with Lynx, tab to the submit button 
after entering email address and password, press the letter "g" to go to 
a url, enter the url of the newspaper you want and tell it to save to 
disk.  You could also bookmark the periodicals page, press the letter 
"v" to view bookmarks, go to the end, hit enter on the periodicals 
bookmark, search for "DAISY" and download that way.  The advantage is 
that you wouldn't have to calculate the correct url every time.  Then 
just set up something in your crontab to run the script every day and 
all should be well.  Note that all of this is theoretical and I haven't 
actually tried any of it.

I am just guessing but I think there is probably a way to automatically 
login which is undocumented.  K1000 also has this ability.  You might be 
violating the user agreement though since I don't think automated logins 
are allowed, but I don't see why it would be a problem.

Steve Holmes wrote:
> Yeah, it is the login sequence that isn't working for me.  My last
> attempt to login with a script used two itterations of wget and I
> specified the wget command with the post variables for email and
> password but I didn't get any real meaningful feedback to tell me if
> the login was successful or not.  the second pass worked in the sense
> that it requested the desired file but then I got back the error page
> telling me that I was never logged in.
>
> My ultimate goal was to have a script pull my daily newspaper from
> bookshare and dump the thing onto an SD card so I could come up to my
> computer in the morning and grab the card and pop it into my Victor
> Reader Stream and groove on the day's news.:)  I heard people doing
> that with the Icon small computer so figured there could be a way for
> us to do it with shell script or something similar and yield the same
> results.  In any case, it would be a fun project if I could get it to
> work.
>   

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:45:32AM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> I haven't used DOS since version 6.23 and
> Windows 3.11 some ten years ago.

Unless there's something I'm not aware of, the last official version
of ms-dos was 6.22, and the last official version of pc-dos was
7.0. Yes, win95 came with command.com which identified itself as ver
7.0, but that wasn't dos anymore, strictly speaking.

Greg


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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 01:09:30AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> Other than that, you 
> would have to get a keyboard macro package (is there such a thing for 
> linux?) and set it up to log in with Lynx, tab to the submit button 
> after entering email address and password, press the letter "g" to go to 
> a url, enter the url of the newspaper you want and tell it to save to 
> disk.

Expect may do this, though the only thing I ever used it for was to
run the weather script that telneted to wunderground.com, so I don't
know if it's powerful/extensible enough to do this.

> You could also bookmark the periodicals page, press the letter 
> "v" to view bookmarks, go to the end, hit enter on the periodicals 
> bookmark, search for "DAISY" and download that way.  The advantage is 
> that you wouldn't have to calculate the correct url every time.  Then 
> just set up something in your crontab to run the script every day and 
> all should be well.

The disadvantage, at least the obvious one anyway, is that you
couldn't add anymore bookmarks, unless you were to first delete the
bookshare bookmark, add a new one, and then add the bookshare bookmark
again, thus having it always as the last bookmark.

Greg


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Re: Automating Bookshare

[Gaijin]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:11:15PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
> 
> Yeah, it is the login sequence that isn't working for me.  My last
> attempt to login with a script used two itterations of wget and I
> specified the wget command with the post variables for email and
> password but I didn't get any real meaningful feedback to tell me if
> the login was successful or not.  the second pass worked in the sense
> that it requested the desired file but then I got back the error page
> telling me that I was never logged in.
> 
> My ultimate goal was to have a script pull my daily newspaper from
> bookshare and dump the thing onto an SD card so I could come up to my
> computer in the morning and grab the card and pop it into my Victor
> Reader Stream and groove on the day's news.:)  I heard people doing
> that with the Icon small computer so figured there could be a way for
> us to do it with shell script or something similar and yield the same
> results.  In any case, it would be a fun project if I could get it to
> work.
:End-Quote:

	I was on a similar project a few years back, just before losing
my sight in fact, which put a halt to things. I was using lynx to grab a
web page off yahoo.finance (because I didn't know about wget at the
time), and using sed, grep, and tr, boil the pages into
link lists.  to make a long story short, the tools are there.  You just
need to carefully examine the web source and grep the command they use
to log in, fill in the blanks, and do the same with the next.  I still
have yet to strip the stock quote data itself from yahoo finance and
feed it into postgresql, but I did manage to get a listing of over 30000
web urls to each stock.   My method was pretty much as follows:

1)  Use lynx to get a web page and redirect it to a file.
2) Use tr to convert all angle brackets to new-lines.
3) Use grep and sed to find and alter urls and redirect the output to a
	file.
4) Repeat the process with the newly created list until I had a listing
	of all 30000 NASDAQ stock pages.

	I was refining things at that time when I lost my sight, so
hadn't gotten to stripping the data out of each page to feed it into the
SQL database, nor was JAVA as prevalent back then as it is today.  Hey,
I was bored, alright?
	Anyway, if you can redirect the web page to a file, you can
certainly use linux commands to strip out and fill in the same blanks as
if you had performed it manually.  It's all there in the source code of
the web page.  I would probably use wget instead of lynx though, now
that I know it exists.

			Michael

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gaijin]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:50:43AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Unless there's something I'm not aware of, the last official version
> of ms-dos was 6.22,
:End-Quote:

	I'm pretty sure I had 6.23, because I remember something having
been removed from it that ticked me off...I think it was the help
system.  I could send you the frozen 25 meg hard drive with 	it still
installed, because there are over three years of email on it I'd like to
recover. 

			Michael

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Butch Bussen]

I still use 4dos and love it and also run 4nt in xp.  I'm not positive 
of the numbers, but wasn't there a fus with Microsoft stealing the code 
they used for double space or whatever they called it, and they had to 
write their own.  That's been a few years back and I'm getting old and 
forgetful. <smile.  Been doing this stuff way to long I think, since my 
Apple 2 E back in 1983.
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Gaijin wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:50:43AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> Unless there's something I'm not aware of, the last official version
>> of ms-dos was 6.22,
> :End-Quote:
>
> 	I'm pretty sure I had 6.23, because I remember something having
> been removed from it that ticked me off...I think it was the help
> system.  I could send you the frozen 25 meg hard drive with 	it still
> installed, because there are over three years of email on it I'd like to
> recover.
>
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:00:51PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> 	I'm pretty sure I had 6.23, because I remember something having
> been removed from it that ticked me off...I think it was the help
> system.  I could send you the frozen 25 meg hard drive with 	it still
> installed, because there are over three years of email on it I'd like to
> recover. 
> 

What do you mean by frozen? Won't spin up, is full of bad sectors,
something else?


Greg


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Re: Automating Bookshare

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In reply to a couple messages, I got around the session cookie problem
by using the --keep-cookies option but still no joy.  Also, I used the
post variables to match those in the raw html form from the login
screen.  There is an example of how to set this up in the wget man
page.  I also used the addition --keep-session-cookies option as shown
in the next related example.

I guess what I'm gonna have to do is run my first wget step as I have
it and capture and examine the returned page.  That should certainly
show me if I got logged in or not.
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gaijin]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 01:46:08PM -0800, Butch Bussen wrote:
> I still use 4dos and love it and also run 4nt in xp.  I'm not positive 
> of the numbers, but wasn't there a fus with Microsoft stealing the code 
> they used for double space or whatever they called it,
:End-Quote:

	Yeah, my Win95 CD has that.  Luckily their theft kept crashing
and losing things, which prolly meant they only fixed the bugs in W98.
<grins>  Now if they'd just steal Acrobat, Real media, and Quicktime
formats, I might buy Horizon/Panarama/View, or whatever they're gonna
call the next release.  I wonder if 4DOS will work with FreeDOS.  I
might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.

			Michael

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gregory Nowak]

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> I
> might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.

The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
reader will not work under windows 3.1.

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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gaijin]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> What do you mean by frozen? Won't spin up, is full of bad sectors,
> something else?

	It stopped spinning up, and I was just joking about sending the
drive.  I'm not actually sure I still have the drive or if I 	tossed
it, but I still have a small pile of fubar drives.  I 	think I remember
some deal from DAK that came with WordStar 	Professional and other
bundled software.  I recall one of those holographic labels stuck to the
DOS manual that said "Firenze" or "Firense," but I can't be sure of the
version.  My usually excellent memory is just a bit hazy on things back
then.  It was amazing what could be stuffed onto a 25 meg drive back in
those days, though.  For some odd reason, easier to operate, too.

			Michael

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Butch Bussen]

I don't know what freedos is.
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Gaijin wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 01:46:08PM -0800, Butch Bussen wrote:
>> I still use 4dos and love it and also run 4nt in xp.  I'm not positive
>> of the numbers, but wasn't there a fus with Microsoft stealing the code
>> they used for double space or whatever they called it,
> :End-Quote:
>
> 	Yeah, my Win95 CD has that.  Luckily their theft kept crashing
> and losing things, which prolly meant they only fixed the bugs in W98.
> <grins>  Now if they'd just steal Acrobat, Real media, and Quicktime
> formats, I might buy Horizon/Panarama/View, or whatever they're gonna
> call the next release.  I wonder if 4DOS will work with FreeDOS.  I
> might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.
>
> 			Michael
>
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gaijin]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 04:43:09PM -0800, Butch Bussen wrote:
> I don't know what freedos is.
:End-Quote:

	It's  a replacement for the no longer supported DOS, and
possibly  open-source now.  I think I have a CD of it somewhere, and a
screen reader for DOS is still available.  Dunno if it's up to working
with NTFS though, which is why I haven't bothered messing with it.  Got
enough on my plate with Debian Lenny, but there's a vfat partition set
aside for it when I get the interest up.  Just Google "download
freedos", and it'll take you right there if you're interested.  I lost
the URL somewhere.

			Michael

Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

Yes it does.  I can't say that the official JP Software version does but 
the new versions at http://4dos.hit.bg/ do and my limited attempts seem 
to work.  Also, in Win98, you get both Doublespace and Drivespace.  
Dblspace was stolen from Stacker who developed a competing product at 
the time.  Drivespace is supposed to be the same or similar but not 
compatible.  I think they just licensed it from a different company and 
stuck their name on it.  While we're here, remember the BBS era?  Telnet 
BBSs are still around and can be accessed from DOS if you have a packet 
driver for your NIC card.  Linux of course is much easier in this regard 
but the standard telnet won't work because it needs to be a clean 8-bit 
connection with no escape char and should allow Zmodem transfers if you 
actually want to download files.  Even though I've used Linux on a 
server since 2004, using it again with the grml live CD and Speakup 
reminded me of the old days with my Apple IIe.  It's amazing how many 
packages fit on a CD, albeit compressed.  It's different when running 
Linux on a desktop system as opposed to a web and email server.  For 
those of you who hesitate, I recommend trying a live CD, not necessarily 
grml.  I guess it reminds me so much of the Apple II because everything 
is open and easily hackable.  You just don't get that in Windows.

Gaijin wrote:
> call the next release.  I wonder if 4DOS will work with FreeDOS.  I
> might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.
>   

Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

Also, Win 3.1 at least for me was very unstable and I think there might 
be compatibility problems with it and FreeDOS.  I know dosemu had 
problems.  I would say just stick with 4DOS under FreeDOS.  If you have 
to use Windows 3.X, use an emulator under Linux.  I ran Window-Eyes 3.1 
and I thought it didn't run on less than Win95 but I don't remember.  I 
thought 2.1 was the last version that supported Win 3.1.  Also, JAWS for 
DOS was released as freeware a long time ago but good luck finding it 
now since HJ is long gone.  It had the full manual.  I tried running 
Vocal-Eyes with Speakup running in dosemu and it locked up, so I think 
you can only have one screen reader at a time.

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
> window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
> think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
> reader will not work under windows 3.1.
>   

Re: 4DOS

[Nick Stockton]

jaws for dos can be gotten from the following URL
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jdosfree.exe
I do not like it ASAP is much better IMO but I guess if you can't buy asap 
any more then jaws for dos is better than nothing.
I'm so lucky my mom knew her 5 year old son would one day be a hobbyist in 
to old computer systems and bought me a copy of ASAP and a litetalk back 
when they were still being sold in the 90s.
I have a giant old computer from the 90s in the other room I put a very old 
USB card in and after some messing around with dos drivers and a win98 boot 
disc I still have, I now have a entire dos system running off of a cheepo 
1-gig USB thumb drive complete with loads of games mainly z-code as they are 
best played in dos using ASAP.
You can play them under gnu/Linux using frotz but some times it wants to 
reread messages it already read so playing using dos frotz with ASAP for me 
is better.
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> Also, Win 3.1 at least for me was very unstable and I think there might
> be compatibility problems with it and FreeDOS.  I know dosemu had
> problems.  I would say just stick with 4DOS under FreeDOS.  If you have
> to use Windows 3.X, use an emulator under Linux.  I ran Window-Eyes 3.1
> and I thought it didn't run on less than Win95 but I don't remember.  I
> thought 2.1 was the last version that supported Win 3.1.  Also, JAWS for
> DOS was released as freeware a long time ago but good luck finding it
> now since HJ is long gone.  It had the full manual.  I tried running
> Vocal-Eyes with Speakup running in dosemu and it locked up, so I think
> you can only have one screen reader at a time.
>
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
>> window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
>> think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
>> reader will not work under windows 3.1.
>>
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Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

This is unofficial and you shouldn't take my word for it, but I have 
information from an undisclosed source that Larry Skutchan, (spelling?) 
doesn't really care what happens with Microtalk products anymore since 
they're long gone out of business anyway.  I didn't get this from him 
and this specifically didn't mention ASAP, but I doubt if anyone would 
complain if a registered version was floating around somewhere.  
Vocal-Eyes is still being sold for $250 but I wouldn't buy it.  
Fortunately I still have it from when my parents bought it for me 
several years ago.

How do you play TADS and Glulx games in DOS?  I had to compile 
interpreters under Linux because the DOS programs worked so poorly.  
Mostly it's a problem with direct screen writes (apparently ASAP handles 
this better than most other screen readers) but it's also a memory 
issue.  TADS has a plain mode but that gives no status line and breaks 
menus.  It would be nice to find interpreters which support sound and no 
graphics.  Also, how did you set up the USB to boot and actually work in 
DOS?  What DOS version are you running?

Nick Stockton wrote:
> jaws for dos can be gotten from the following URL
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jdosfree.exe
> I do not like it ASAP is much better IMO but I guess if you can't buy asap 
> any more then jaws for dos is better than nothing.
> I'm so lucky my mom knew her 5 year old son would one day be a hobbyist in 
> to old computer systems and bought me a copy of ASAP and a litetalk back 
> when they were still being sold in the 90s.
> I have a giant old computer from the 90s in the other room I put a very old 
> USB card in and after some messing around with dos drivers and a win98 boot 
> disc I still have, I now have a entire dos system running off of a cheepo 
> 1-gig USB thumb drive complete with loads of games mainly z-code as they are 
> best played in dos using ASAP.
> You can play them under gnu/Linux using frotz but some times it wants to 
> reread messages it already read so playing using dos frotz with ASAP for me 
> is better.
> ----- Original Message ----- 

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Alex Snow]

I think the last version of jfw was 2.0...I remember that coming on my 
jaws 3.3 disk, along with a readme telling you that authorization for 
the 2.0 version was free for current customers, and to call HJ for a 
disk, but when I called them at the time they had absolutely no idea 
what I was talking about, which was nothing new.
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 
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> > I
> > might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.
> 
> The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
> window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
> think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
> reader will not work under windows 3.1.
> 
> Greg
> 
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Alex Snow]

It's an open source implementation of dos that's pretty much 
completely ms-dos compatible.
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 04:43:09PM -0800, 
Butch Bussen wrote:
> I don't know what freedos is.
> 73s
> Butch Bussen
> wa0vjr
> 
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Gaijin wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 01:46:08PM -0800, Butch Bussen wrote:
> >> I still use 4dos and love it and also run 4nt in xp.  I'm not positive
> >> of the numbers, but wasn't there a fus with Microsoft stealing the code
> >> they used for double space or whatever they called it,
> > :End-Quote:
> >
> > 	Yeah, my Win95 CD has that.  Luckily their theft kept crashing
> > and losing things, which prolly meant they only fixed the bugs in W98.
> > <grins>  Now if they'd just steal Acrobat, Real media, and Quicktime
> > formats, I might buy Horizon/Panarama/View, or whatever they're gonna
> > call the next release.  I wonder if 4DOS will work with FreeDOS.  I
> > might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.
> >
> > 			Michael
> >
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Re: 4DOS

[Alex Snow]

Telnet bbs's are great, but there's just too many of them that are 
just the stock Synchronet install with a semi-creative name slapped on 
it.  There are definitely a few good ones out there, I remember 
Gameworld had some fun things to play but unfortunately seems to have 
disappeared
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:30AM -0800, Tony Baechler 
wrote:
> Yes it does.  I can't say that the official JP Software version does but 
> the new versions at http://4dos.hit.bg/ do and my limited attempts seem 
> to work.  Also, in Win98, you get both Doublespace and Drivespace.  
> Dblspace was stolen from Stacker who developed a competing product at 
> the time.  Drivespace is supposed to be the same or similar but not 
> compatible.  I think they just licensed it from a different company and 
> stuck their name on it.  While we're here, remember the BBS era?  Telnet 
> BBSs are still around and can be accessed from DOS if you have a packet 
> driver for your NIC card.  Linux of course is much easier in this regard 
> but the standard telnet won't work because it needs to be a clean 8-bit 
> connection with no escape char and should allow Zmodem transfers if you 
> actually want to download files.  Even though I've used Linux on a 
> server since 2004, using it again with the grml live CD and Speakup 
> reminded me of the old days with my Apple IIe.  It's amazing how many 
> packages fit on a CD, albeit compressed.  It's different when running 
> Linux on a desktop system as opposed to a web and email server.  For 
> those of you who hesitate, I recommend trying a live CD, not necessarily 
> grml.  I guess it reminds me so much of the Apple II because everything 
> is open and easily hackable.  You just don't get that in Windows.
> 
> Gaijin wrote:
> > call the next release.  I wonder if 4DOS will work with FreeDOS.  I
> > might not mind running Win 3.11 again if the screen reader works.
> >   
> 
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Re: 4DOS

[Alex Snow]

Jaws for dos is still buried on FS's site somewhere...at least I think 
it is.  A google search for jdosfree.exe should find it right away
On 
Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:50:51AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> Also, Win 3.1 at least for me was very unstable and I think there might 
> be compatibility problems with it and FreeDOS.  I know dosemu had 
> problems.  I would say just stick with 4DOS under FreeDOS.  If you have 
> to use Windows 3.X, use an emulator under Linux.  I ran Window-Eyes 3.1 
> and I thought it didn't run on less than Win95 but I don't remember.  I 
> thought 2.1 was the last version that supported Win 3.1.  Also, JAWS for 
> DOS was released as freeware a long time ago but good luck finding it 
> now since HJ is long gone.  It had the full manual.  I tried running 
> Vocal-Eyes with Speakup running in dosemu and it locked up, so I think 
> you can only have one screen reader at a time.
> 
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
> > window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
> > think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
> > reader will not work under windows 3.1.
> >   
> 
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Re: 4DOS

[Gaijin]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:30AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> While we're here, remember the BBS era?  Telnet 
> BBSs are still around and can be accessed from DOS if you have a packet 
> driver for your NIC card.
:End-Quote:

	<grins>  Used to run WWIV BBS on the old 25 Meg hard drive so I
didn't have to log in long distance and peruse the newsgroups.  Only
cost me an extra $5/month to transfer a compressed packet each day, and
contained the entire day's messages.  My first foray into networking and
C Programming.  The BBS sourcecode was available for $80, and mods were
being published for it all the time.  Had a blast until they switched
over to the $600 Borland compiler, which I couldn't afford (and didn't
see any reason in paying).  Was still sighted back then and ran up a
small fortune in long-distance charges downloading things like Commander
Keen and DooM! demos.  If I ever get phone access again, I plan on
calling up the old BBS I was networked with (Maxie's Toy).  I call the
number on the cell every once in awhile and still get a carrier detect
warble, though it might be a fax number now.  Might be fun porting WWIV
BBS to Linux, but the last time I looked, the author had started
including object code in the source.  Bugrit.

				Michael

Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gaijin]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:50:08AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> I think the last version of jfw was 2.0...I remember that coming on my 
> jaws 3.3 disk, along with a readme telling you that authorization for 
> the 2.0 version was free for current customers, and to call HJ for a 
> disk, but when I called them at the time they had absolutely no idea 
> what I was talking about, which was nothing new.
:End-Quote:

	<laughs>  Great.  Now all I need to find is Win 3.11 on EBay
somewhere and hope the floppies still work after all these years (and
hope they're not on 5.25 inch disks). <grins>  I have a friend who
thinks I'm crazy just for using Linux.  If I told him I'd gone back to
Win 3.11, I think he'd have me committed, especially if I said I was
running 50 copies of Windows3.11  under DesqView.   Thanks for all the
URLs guys.  I didn't think any of this stuff was still around.

			Michael

Re: 4DOS

[Butch Bussen]

While we're discussing 4dos, can anyone tell me why it doesn't handle long 
file names under xp.  4nt does, but when you do a dir, it doesn't speak 
automatically.  4dos does, but for some reason it doesn't see xp as it does 
98.  In 98, it is smart enough to know you have long file name support. 
Just wondering if anyone knows of a solution.

73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

Re: 4DOS

[josh]

hey if anyone wants jaws for dos or vocal eyes I can give them to ya. at 
least jaws for dos because it's free.

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> Also, Win 3.1 at least for me was very unstable and I think there might
> be compatibility problems with it and FreeDOS.  I know dosemu had
> problems.  I would say just stick with 4DOS under FreeDOS.  If you have
> to use Windows 3.X, use an emulator under Linux.  I ran Window-Eyes 3.1
> and I thought it didn't run on less than Win95 but I don't remember.  I
> thought 2.1 was the last version that supported Win 3.1.  Also, JAWS for
> DOS was released as freeware a long time ago but good luck finding it
> now since HJ is long gone.  It had the full manual.  I tried running
> Vocal-Eyes with Speakup running in dosemu and it locked up, so I think
> you can only have one screen reader at a time.
>
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
>> window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
>> think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
>> reader will not work under windows 3.1.
>>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

hi,

the demo of asap still or just has the nag messages. also tiny talk is good 
too, and vocal eyes.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> jaws for dos can be gotten from the following URL
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jdosfree.exe
> I do not like it ASAP is much better IMO but I guess if you can't buy asap
> any more then jaws for dos is better than nothing.
> I'm so lucky my mom knew her 5 year old son would one day be a hobbyist in
> to old computer systems and bought me a copy of ASAP and a litetalk back
> when they were still being sold in the 90s.
> I have a giant old computer from the 90s in the other room I put a very 
> old
> USB card in and after some messing around with dos drivers and a win98 
> boot
> disc I still have, I now have a entire dos system running off of a cheepo
> 1-gig USB thumb drive complete with loads of games mainly z-code as they 
> are
> best played in dos using ASAP.
> You can play them under gnu/Linux using frotz but some times it wants to
> reread messages it already read so playing using dos frotz with ASAP for 
> me
> is better.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:50 AM
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
>> Also, Win 3.1 at least for me was very unstable and I think there might
>> be compatibility problems with it and FreeDOS.  I know dosemu had
>> problems.  I would say just stick with 4DOS under FreeDOS.  If you have
>> to use Windows 3.X, use an emulator under Linux.  I ran Window-Eyes 3.1
>> and I thought it didn't run on less than Win95 but I don't remember.  I
>> thought 2.1 was the last version that supported Win 3.1.  Also, JAWS for
>> DOS was released as freeware a long time ago but good luck finding it
>> now since HJ is long gone.  It had the full manual.  I tried running
>> Vocal-Eyes with Speakup running in dosemu and it locked up, so I think
>> you can only have one screen reader at a time.
>>
>> Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>> The last version of window-eyes to work with windows 3.1 was
>>> window-eyes 3.1. I don't know about other screen readers, though I
>>> think it's safe to say that modern versions of any windows screen
>>> reader will not work under windows 3.1.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

it would be cool if someone could make the keynote gold multimedia software 
synthesizer, and the keysoft for windows95 work in windows xp. I have demos 
of both if anyone wants.

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> Hi,
>
> This is unofficial and you shouldn't take my word for it, but I have
> information from an undisclosed source that Larry Skutchan, (spelling?)
> doesn't really care what happens with Microtalk products anymore since
> they're long gone out of business anyway.  I didn't get this from him
> and this specifically didn't mention ASAP, but I doubt if anyone would
> complain if a registered version was floating around somewhere.
> Vocal-Eyes is still being sold for $250 but I wouldn't buy it.
> Fortunately I still have it from when my parents bought it for me
> several years ago.
>
> How do you play TADS and Glulx games in DOS?  I had to compile
> interpreters under Linux because the DOS programs worked so poorly.
> Mostly it's a problem with direct screen writes (apparently ASAP handles
> this better than most other screen readers) but it's also a memory
> issue.  TADS has a plain mode but that gives no status line and breaks
> menus.  It would be nice to find interpreters which support sound and no
> graphics.  Also, how did you set up the USB to boot and actually work in
> DOS?  What DOS version are you running?
>
> Nick Stockton wrote:
>> jaws for dos can be gotten from the following URL
>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jdosfree.exe
>> I do not like it ASAP is much better IMO but I guess if you can't buy 
>> asap
>> any more then jaws for dos is better than nothing.
>> I'm so lucky my mom knew her 5 year old son would one day be a hobbyist 
>> in
>> to old computer systems and bought me a copy of ASAP and a litetalk back
>> when they were still being sold in the 90s.
>> I have a giant old computer from the 90s in the other room I put a very 
>> old
>> USB card in and after some messing around with dos drivers and a win98 
>> boot
>> disc I still have, I now have a entire dos system running off of a cheepo
>> 1-gig USB thumb drive complete with loads of games mainly z-code as they 
>> are
>> best played in dos using ASAP.
>> You can play them under gnu/Linux using frotz but some times it wants to
>> reread messages it already read so playing using dos frotz with ASAP for 
>> me
>> is better.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

Hi,

anyone know if there are software synthesizers that work in DOS? I now the 
old keynote gold multimedia worked in dos. I have a demo copy if anyone 
wantw. also got a demo of keysoft for windows95/DOS. these products are no 
longer supported or sold and humanware doesn't care what ya do with them.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:30AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
>> While we're here, remember the BBS era?  Telnet
>> BBSs are still around and can be accessed from DOS if you have a packet
>> driver for your NIC card.
> :End-Quote:
>
> <grins>  Used to run WWIV BBS on the old 25 Meg hard drive so I
> didn't have to log in long distance and peruse the newsgroups.  Only
> cost me an extra $5/month to transfer a compressed packet each day, and
> contained the entire day's messages.  My first foray into networking and
> C Programming.  The BBS sourcecode was available for $80, and mods were
> being published for it all the time.  Had a blast until they switched
> over to the $600 Borland compiler, which I couldn't afford (and didn't
> see any reason in paying).  Was still sighted back then and ran up a
> small fortune in long-distance charges downloading things like Commander
> Keen and DooM! demos.  If I ever get phone access again, I plan on
> calling up the old BBS I was networked with (Maxie's Toy).  I call the
> number on the cell every once in awhile and still get a carrier detect
> warble, though it might be a fax number now.  Might be fun porting WWIV
> BBS to Linux, but the last time I looked, the author had started
> including object code in the source.  Bugrit.
>
> Michael
>
>
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[josh]

I wonder why gw-micro doesn't keep coppies of their old window-eyes program 
for people who want to run the old windows?

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)


> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:50:08AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
>> I think the last version of jfw was 2.0...I remember that coming on my
>> jaws 3.3 disk, along with a readme telling you that authorization for
>> the 2.0 version was free for current customers, and to call HJ for a
>> disk, but when I called them at the time they had absolutely no idea
>> what I was talking about, which was nothing new.
> :End-Quote:
>
> <laughs>  Great.  Now all I need to find is Win 3.11 on EBay
> somewhere and hope the floppies still work after all these years (and
> hope they're not on 5.25 inch disks). <grins>  I have a friend who
> thinks I'm crazy just for using Linux.  If I told him I'd gone back to
> Win 3.11, I think he'd have me committed, especially if I said I was
> running 50 copies of Windows3.11  under DesqView.   Thanks for all the
> URLs guys.  I didn't think any of this stuff was still around.
>
> Michael
>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

does anyone remember the smoothe-talker sound blaster software synthesizer 
that ran under DOS and kind of sounded like a double-talk?

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Butch Bussen" <butchb@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> While we're discussing 4dos, can anyone tell me why it doesn't handle long
> file names under xp.  4nt does, but when you do a dir, it doesn't speak
> automatically.  4dos does, but for some reason it doesn't see xp as it 
> does
> 98.  In 98, it is smart enough to know you have long file name support.
> Just wondering if anyone knows of a solution.
>
> 73s
> Butch Bussen
> wa0vjr
>
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Re: 4DOS (was: Re: Automating Bookshare)

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:34:55PM -0500, josh wrote:
> I wonder why gw-micro doesn't keep coppies of their old window-eyes program 
> for people who want to run the old windows?

Probably because m$ wants everyone to buy new windows (preferably
vista), and gw-micro has to be on m$'s good side, if they expect to
get the info they need in order to release their newest version of
wineyes, on the same date as the release of the newest windows. That's
my theory anyway. They probably think too that nobody is seriously
going to want to run an old version of windows, then again, they're still
selling vocal-eyes, and nobody in their right mind is going to be
serious about using DOS these days, right? (grin)

Greg


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Re: 4DOS

[Nick Stockton]

well if no one is able to find the last version of the ASAP demo/update from 
2001/2002 I still have it.
I got it off of the MicroTalk website before it went down years ago and now 
it appears the domain name was taken by a domain snatcher.
As far as running dos off of a USB thumb drive it wasn't that hard and I was 
surprised no one has ever done it before.
Still everyone I tell about it is very amazed and impressed so that's nice 
*grin*.
First of all the computer I did this on was made before USB was very popular 
it was running win 95 version A when I got it so it had no concept of how to 
boot from a USB port.
After I put a USB PCI card in it what I did was to take a win 98 boot disc I 
had lying around and put some USB mass storage device drivers for dos on it.
I also put some other things like generic cd drivers on it.
After that I used gnu/Linux to format the USB thumb drive with a fat file 
system.
I next took my USB thumb drive and copied to it all my old dos programs and 
utilities from my very first computer's hard drive which I still have even 
though my first computer it's self is long gone.
Lastly I booted from the floppy with the USB thumb drive plugged in and 
after typing "sys c:" I added "SET COMSPEC=C:\COMMAND.COM" to 
a:\autoexec.bat as well as adding the correct paths for everything to it.
Now when ever I want to boot it up I just have to be sure the floppy is in 
the drive and it will boot automatically.
After it is done booting I can remove the floppy and I won't need to stick 
it in again till the next time I need to boot dos.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> Hi,
>
> This is unofficial and you shouldn't take my word for it, but I have
> information from an undisclosed source that Larry Skutchan, (spelling?)
> doesn't really care what happens with Microtalk products anymore since
> they're long gone out of business anyway.  I didn't get this from him
> and this specifically didn't mention ASAP, but I doubt if anyone would
> complain if a registered version was floating around somewhere.
> Vocal-Eyes is still being sold for $250 but I wouldn't buy it.
> Fortunately I still have it from when my parents bought it for me
> several years ago.
>
> How do you play TADS and Glulx games in DOS?  I had to compile
> interpreters under Linux because the DOS programs worked so poorly.
> Mostly it's a problem with direct screen writes (apparently ASAP handles
> this better than most other screen readers) but it's also a memory
> issue.  TADS has a plain mode but that gives no status line and breaks
> menus.  It would be nice to find interpreters which support sound and no
> graphics.  Also, how did you set up the USB to boot and actually work in
> DOS?  What DOS version are you running?
>
> Nick Stockton wrote:
>> jaws for dos can be gotten from the following URL
>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jdosfree.exe
>> I do not like it ASAP is much better IMO but I guess if you can't buy 
>> asap
>> any more then jaws for dos is better than nothing.
>> I'm so lucky my mom knew her 5 year old son would one day be a hobbyist 
>> in
>> to old computer systems and bought me a copy of ASAP and a litetalk back
>> when they were still being sold in the 90s.
>> I have a giant old computer from the 90s in the other room I put a very 
>> old
>> USB card in and after some messing around with dos drivers and a win98 
>> boot
>> disc I still have, I now have a entire dos system running off of a cheepo
>> 1-gig USB thumb drive complete with loads of games mainly z-code as they 
>> are
>> best played in dos using ASAP.
>> You can play them under gnu/Linux using frotz but some times it wants to
>> reread messages it already read so playing using dos frotz with ASAP for 
>> me
>> is better.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:09PM -0500, Nick Stockton wrote:
> After I put a USB PCI card in it what I did was to take a win 98 boot disc I 
> had lying around and put some USB mass storage device drivers for dos on it.

Mind sharing where you got those from? As far as I always knew, nobody
ever bothered writing a usb stack for DOS.

Greg


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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

Hi,

and if anyone wants the old keynote gold multimedia and old keysoft stuff I 
got, let me know.
it's maybe oh uh 4.2mb or so there are 6 zip files. I think the demos have 
all the features of the full versions except they time out.

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> well if no one is able to find the last version of the ASAP demo/update 
> from
> 2001/2002 I still have it.
> I got it off of the MicroTalk website before it went down years ago and 
> now
> it appears the domain name was taken by a domain snatcher.
> As far as running dos off of a USB thumb drive it wasn't that hard and I 
> was
> surprised no one has ever done it before.
> Still everyone I tell about it is very amazed and impressed so that's nice
> *grin*.
> First of all the computer I did this on was made before USB was very 
> popular
> it was running win 95 version A when I got it so it had no concept of how 
> to
> boot from a USB port.
> After I put a USB PCI card in it what I did was to take a win 98 boot disc 
> I
> had lying around and put some USB mass storage device drivers for dos on 
> it.
> I also put some other things like generic cd drivers on it.
> After that I used gnu/Linux to format the USB thumb drive with a fat file
> system.
> I next took my USB thumb drive and copied to it all my old dos programs 
> and
> utilities from my very first computer's hard drive which I still have even
> though my first computer it's self is long gone.
> Lastly I booted from the floppy with the USB thumb drive plugged in and
> after typing "sys c:" I added "SET COMSPEC=C:\COMMAND.COM" to
> a:\autoexec.bat as well as adding the correct paths for everything to it.
> Now when ever I want to boot it up I just have to be sure the floppy is in
> the drive and it will boot automatically.
> After it is done booting I can remove the floppy and I won't need to stick
> it in again till the next time I need to boot dos.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is unofficial and you shouldn't take my word for it, but I have
>> information from an undisclosed source that Larry Skutchan, (spelling?)
>> doesn't really care what happens with Microtalk products anymore since
>> they're long gone out of business anyway.  I didn't get this from him
>> and this specifically didn't mention ASAP, but I doubt if anyone would
>> complain if a registered version was floating around somewhere.
>> Vocal-Eyes is still being sold for $250 but I wouldn't buy it.
>> Fortunately I still have it from when my parents bought it for me
>> several years ago.
>>
>> How do you play TADS and Glulx games in DOS?  I had to compile
>> interpreters under Linux because the DOS programs worked so poorly.
>> Mostly it's a problem with direct screen writes (apparently ASAP handles
>> this better than most other screen readers) but it's also a memory
>> issue.  TADS has a plain mode but that gives no status line and breaks
>> menus.  It would be nice to find interpreters which support sound and no
>> graphics.  Also, how did you set up the USB to boot and actually work in
>> DOS?  What DOS version are you running?
>>
>> Nick Stockton wrote:
>>> jaws for dos can be gotten from the following URL
>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jdosfree.exe
>>> I do not like it ASAP is much better IMO but I guess if you can't buy
>>> asap
>>> any more then jaws for dos is better than nothing.
>>> I'm so lucky my mom knew her 5 year old son would one day be a hobbyist
>>> in
>>> to old computer systems and bought me a copy of ASAP and a litetalk back
>>> when they were still being sold in the 90s.
>>> I have a giant old computer from the 90s in the other room I put a very
>>> old
>>> USB card in and after some messing around with dos drivers and a win98
>>> boot
>>> disc I still have, I now have a entire dos system running off of a 
>>> cheepo
>>> 1-gig USB thumb drive complete with loads of games mainly z-code as they
>>> are
>>> best played in dos using ASAP.
>>> You can play them under gnu/Linux using frotz but some times it wants to
>>> reread messages it already read so playing using dos frotz with ASAP for
>>> me
>>> is better.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: 4DOS

[Gregory Nowak]

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All right. Since we're discussing who wants a demo of what, I thought
I'd throw in that I still do have a wineyes 3.1 demo that I got off
gw-micro's site way back when, as well as my
full version. So, if anyone wants the wineyes 3.1 demo, let me
know. The demo is the standard wineyes demo, that times-out after 30
minutes, requiring you to reboot, if you want to use it some more. Don't ask me for an iso of the full version, I'm not sharing
that. 

BTW, I double-checked in the wineyes 3.1 manual just now, and wineyes
3.1 does in fact run under windows 3.1, it's in section 1.2 of the
manual for anyone interested.

Greg


On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:21:45PM -0500, josh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> and if anyone wants the old keynote gold multimedia and old keysoft stuff I 
> got, let me know.
> it's maybe oh uh 4.2mb or so there are 6 zip files. I think the demos have 
> all the features of the full versions except they time out.
> 
> Josh
> 
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com


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Re: 4DOS

[Nick Stockton]

I don't know what site I got it from for sure but it was probably
http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm
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Subject: Re: 4DOS


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> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:09PM -0500, Nick Stockton wrote:
>> After I put a USB PCI card in it what I did was to take a win 98 boot 
>> disc I
>> had lying around and put some USB mass storage device drivers for dos on 
>> it.
>
> Mind sharing where you got those from? As far as I always knew, nobody
> ever bothered writing a usb stack for DOS.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: 4DOS

[Gaijin]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:31:25PM -0500, josh wrote:
> anyone know if there are software synthesizers that work in DOS? I now the 
> old keynote gold multimedia worked in dos. I have a demo copy if anyone 
> wantw. also got a demo of keysoft for windows95/DOS. these products are no 
> longer supported or sold and humanware doesn't care what ya do with them.> 
:End-Quote:

	Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
processor.

			Michael

Re: 4DOS

[josh]

Hi,

here is the link to my old keynote and keysoft stuff.

http://www.publicftp.com/home/jkenn337/keynote.zip

so go ahead and download it. I'll let it there for a month or so so people 
who want it can get it. Oh, and don't forget! please give the link, pass it 
around to everyone who may be interested.

Josh

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:31:25PM -0500, josh wrote:
>> anyone know if there are software synthesizers that work in DOS? I now 
>> the
>> old keynote gold multimedia worked in dos. I have a demo copy if anyone
>> wantw. also got a demo of keysoft for windows95/DOS. these products are 
>> no
>> longer supported or sold and humanware doesn't care what ya do with 
>> them.>
> :End-Quote:
>
> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
> processor.
>
> Michael
>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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Michael,

The editor 'joe' can be invoked with the name 'jstar' and emulates
wordstar very closely. It can be invoked with other names to emulate
other editors too.

Chuck


On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 07:54:50PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:31:25PM -0500, josh wrote:
> > anyone know if there are software synthesizers that work in DOS? I now the 
> > old keynote gold multimedia worked in dos. I have a demo copy if anyone 
> > wantw. also got a demo of keysoft for windows95/DOS. these products are no 
> > longer supported or sold and humanware doesn't care what ya do with them.> 
> :End-Quote:
> 
> 	Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
> processor.
> 
> 			Michael
> 
> 
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Telnet BBSs

[Tony Baechler]

Oh, I couldn't agree more.  That's why my BBS won't run Synchronet once 
I get it working.  There are a few that still run DOS packages and even 
a few specifically for Linux.  The problem I had was trying to get 
downloads to work which I still haven't solved.  There is a current 
telnet BBS guide updated monthly for anyone interested.

Alex Snow wrote:
> Telnet bbs's are great, but there's just too many of them that are 
> just the stock Synchronet install with a semi-creative name slapped on 
> it.  There are definitely a few good ones out there, I remember 
> Gameworld had some fun things to play but unfortunately seems to have 
> disappeared
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:3

Re: 4DOS

[John G. Heim]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>
> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
> processor.
>

By and large they'd say no.  I've seen it tried many times and mostly you 
get no answer or a refusal. I think these people still have lawyers telling 
them it's a bad idea. Maybe they have something to hide within their code --  
like that it wasn't entirely their own in the first place.

Anyway, I don't know anything about 4dos but the FreeDOS project is alive 
and well. Their mailing list is very active (google it). Anyone interested 
in DOS applications should definately check out FreeDOS. For instance, I 
know that Jaws for DOS; which is a free download on the Freedom Scientific 
web site; runs under FreeDOS.

I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS with 
jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk 
hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot from 
this diskette and get speech. See:

http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img

The diskette image also includes CD-ROM support. So, theoretically, you can 
boot from a diskette made with this image and then access a CD-ROM. I was 
hoping to install Windows this way. But the Windows installer craps out when 
run under FreeDOS. However, you should be able to make a bootable CD-ROM 
with this image.

WWIV

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

There are two sites you should check out.  One is http://wwiv.sf.net/ 
and the other is: http://bbsdocumentary.com/  The later offers a DVD BBS 
documentary set for sale but also has extensive BBS listings and a 
comprehensive software directory.  I highly doubt if the dial-up BBS 
which you remember is still around, but http://bbslist.textfiles.com/ 
would probably tell you.  If you give the phone number, it would take 
only seconds for me to tell if it's a modem or not.  Synchronet is the 
popular software nowadays but I don't think I like it.  It runs under 
32-bit Windows, BSD and Linux so I guess it's an attractive option for 
many, but it uses its own message base format.  It is open source 
though.  I would definitely like to see that drive if it still has a 
working BBS on it!  I used to run Maximus but threw that away a long 
time ago.

Gaijin wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:30AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
>   
> 	<grins>  Used to run WWIV BBS on the old 25 Meg hard drive so I
> didn't have to log in long distance and peruse the newsgroups.  Only
> cost me an extra $5/month to transfer a compressed packet each day, and
> contained the entire day's messages.  My first foray into networking and
> C Programming.  The BBS sourcecode was available for $80, and mods were
> being published for it all the time.  Had a blast until they switched
> over to the $600 Borland compiler, which I couldn't afford (and didn't
> see any reason in paying).  Was still sighted back then and ran up a
> small fortune in long-distance charges downloading things like Commander
> Keen and DooM! demos.  If I ever get phone access again, I plan on
> calling up the old BBS I was networked with (Maxie's Toy).  I call the
> number on the cell every once in awhile and still get a carrier detect
> warble, though it might be a fax number now.  Might be fun porting WWIV
> BBS to Linux, but the last time I looked, the author had started
> including object code in the source.  Bugrit.
>   

RE: 4DOS

[Beth Hatch]

Hello John and all,

I'm just wondering.......  I have a version of the Spin Rite hard drive
maintenance utility which boots as a CD using Free Dos.  It should be
theoretically possible to make a bootable spin rite cd using JAWS and Free
Dos then.  I unfortunately don't have a Double talk, but I do have a Dectalk
Express.  I tried to install JAWS on a bootable cd, but I got into trouble
somehow and though I found the floppy images that I downloaded from Freedom
Scientific, I wasn't able to get them installed on to a CD.  I have a badly
broken desktop pc that needs Spin Rite very badly to fix the hard drive, it
would be really cool if I could use JAWS and Free Dos to make this work.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Beth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of John G. Heim
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:40 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: 4DOS


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>
> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it on a 
> CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies 
> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported 
> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word 
> processor.
>

By and large they'd say no.  I've seen it tried many times and mostly you
get no answer or a refusal. I think these people still have lawyers telling
them it's a bad idea. Maybe they have something to hide within their code --
like that it wasn't entirely their own in the first place.

Anyway, I don't know anything about 4dos but the FreeDOS project is alive
and well. Their mailing list is very active (google it). Anyone interested
in DOS applications should definately check out FreeDOS. For instance, I
know that Jaws for DOS; which is a free download on the Freedom Scientific
web site; runs under FreeDOS.

I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS with
jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk
hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot from
this diskette and get speech. See:

http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img

The diskette image also includes CD-ROM support. So, theoretically, you can
boot from a diskette made with this image and then access a CD-ROM. I was
hoping to install Windows this way. But the Windows installer craps out when
run under FreeDOS. However, you should be able to make a bootable CD-ROM
with this image.


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Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

There are two possible issues.  First, you aren't running under true DOS 
in XP like you are in Win98.  It's possible that ntvdm is not giving 
long filenames to 4DOS for some reason.  ntvdm.exe is the NT virtual DOS 
manager.  The other issue is that 4DOS is confused by the version 
number.  ntvdm reports itself as 5.0 or 5.1, which is the correct 
version of NT.  Obviously, DOS 5 didn't have lfn support.  I know of 
another program that got confused by that also.  Remember that 
development on 4DOS stopped when XP got popular so there was no reason 
for them to fix it.  You could try the latest version though and see if 
that helps.  I think it's 7.61.  It wasn't ever intended to run under NT 
which is why they had 4NT.  The download site is: http://4dos.hit.bg/

Butch Bussen wrote:
> While we're discussing 4dos, can anyone tell me why it doesn't handle long 
> file names under xp.  4nt does, but when you do a dir, it doesn't speak 
> automatically.  4dos does, but for some reason it doesn't see xp as it does 
> 98.  In 98, it is smart enough to know you have long file name support. 
> Just wondering if anyone knows of a solution.
>   

Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

Yes, I still have it around here somewhere but I think it was on a drive 
that crashed.  It wasn't very stable and took a lot of memory.  They 
also had Text Assist that worked in Win 3.1.

josh wrote:
> does anyone remember the smoothe-talker sound blaster software synthesizer 
> that ran under DOS and kind of sounded like a double-talk?
>   

Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

So basically you aren't really booting off the USB drive but from a 
floppy which passes control to the USB drive as it boots.  Interesting.  
Are you sure that the demo from 2001-ish is actually ASAP and not ASAP 
for Windows or ASAW?  I looked about then and the demo of ASAP was from 
many years earlier.  I don't actually need the demo right now but it 
would be good to host it somewhere for people who want it.  If you email 
attach the file, I'll put up on the web for download, at least temporarily.

Nick Stockton wrote:
> well if no one is able to find the last version of the ASAP demo/update from 
> 2001/2002 I still have it.
> I got it off of the MicroTalk website before it went down years ago and now 
> it appears the domain name was taken by a domain snatcher.
> As far as running dos

Re: 4DOS

[josh]

it would be cool if one of the dos screen readers could work with a software 
synthesizer.

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John G. Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>
>> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
>> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
>> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
>> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
>> processor.
>>
>
> By and large they'd say no.  I've seen it tried many times and mostly you
> get no answer or a refusal. I think these people still have lawyers 
> telling
> them it's a bad idea. Maybe they have something to hide within their 
> code --
> like that it wasn't entirely their own in the first place.
>
> Anyway, I don't know anything about 4dos but the FreeDOS project is alive
> and well. Their mailing list is very active (google it). Anyone interested
> in DOS applications should definately check out FreeDOS. For instance, I
> know that Jaws for DOS; which is a free download on the Freedom Scientific
> web site; runs under FreeDOS.
>
> I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS 
> with
> jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk
> hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot 
> from
> this diskette and get speech. See:
>
> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img
>
> The diskette image also includes CD-ROM support. So, theoretically, you 
> can
> boot from a diskette made with this image and then access a CD-ROM. I was
> hoping to install Windows this way. But the Windows installer craps out 
> when
> run under FreeDOS. However, you should be able to make a bootable CD-ROM
> with this image.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Demos

[Tony Baechler]

Hi all,

I have lots of disk space and access to a reliable web server running 
Debian Etch.  I will host demos of any old DOS products for the blind 
that people want to send.  I'm not really interested in magnifiers or 
Windows programs with the possible exception of Win 3.1.  I will host 
full versions that are not demos only if I get a legal statement from 
the person sending me the files that they have contacted the company in 
question and the company allows it.  I must also have copies of the 
email from the actual company stating this fact.  I will not share the 
email unless I'm asked.  I will leave it to someone else to make an 
image if they want.

Regarding getting software relicensed, I doubt if the GPL would happen 
but a "freeware" closed source license probably would happen.  The 
companies aren't that hard to convince in some cases.  I'm sure Larry of 
Microtalk would do it but I don't know him personally.  I would really 
like to see APH release their Apple II software.  I am not experienced 
in advocating for license changes but I would appreciate it if someone 
would ask the various companies.  I'm sure GW Micro wouldn't go for it 
just because they still sell Vocal-Eyes.  I would be surprised if 
Freedom Scientific would either.  Humanware might because they use Linux 
as the OS on the Victor Reader Stream and seem to be more open.

I'm not into regular DOS software demos unless they are very old, 
unusual, somehow significant, or otherwise hard to find.  There are 
already other sites doing that.  It should specifically be for the blind 
or have something to do with speech or Braille.  Due to a router issue, 
ftp doesn't work right so email attach is probably best.  If someone 
wants to walk me through fixing ftp on a Linksys router, I'll try my 
luck.  Don't expect any fancy web page but I'll put up the files 
assuming they are legal demos and not huge.  Huge is subject to my 
judgment but disk space isn't a problem right now.

Gaijin wrote:
> 	Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
> processor.
>   

Keynote demo

[Tony Baechler]

Hi all,

You can now get this from http://baechler.net/demos/ which is were I'll 
host demos that people send me.

josh wrote:
> here is the link to my old keynote and keysoft stuff.
>
> http://www.publicftp.com/home/jkenn337/keynote.zip
>
> so go ahead and download it. I'll let it there for a month or so so people 
> who want it can get it. Oh, and don't forget! please give the link, pass it 
> around to everyone who may be interested.
>   

Re: Keynote demo

[josh]

Hi,

I will keep writing to humanware to ask them to make this sapi5 and 
linux/free-dos compatible. I'm not giving up on this old software. it's 
considered an antique by my stnadards I think.

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Keynote demo


> Hi all,
>
> You can now get this from http://baechler.net/demos/ which is were I'll
> host demos that people send me.
>
> josh wrote:
>> here is the link to my old keynote and keysoft stuff.
>>
>> http://www.publicftp.com/home/jkenn337/keynote.zip
>>
>> so go ahead and download it. I'll let it there for a month or so so 
>> people
>> who want it can get it. Oh, and don't forget! please give the link, pass 
>> it
>> around to everyone who may be interested.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: 4DOS

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

Can I host this on my new demos directory?  It isn't technically a 
software demo but might be useful to someone, especially since it 
includes a working screen reader and such.  If not, I understand.  Also, 
you say that FreeDOS is very active which I knew.  If you go to 
http://www.freedos.org, you will see news updates for new or updated DOS 
programs.  Is there an announce list which just tells about the new 
software without discussion?  I haven't looked into their lists because 
I am already getting a lot of email.  I joined the debian-user list once 
and was swamped by at least 200 messages per day.  That was too much!  
For now, I'll go ahead and host your disk image unless you say otherwise.

John G. Heim wrote:
> I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS with 
> jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk 
> hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot from 
> this diskette and get speech. See:
>
> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img
>
>   

Re: 4DOS

[Alex Snow]

I believe, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, that spinrite isn't 
accessible with a dos screenreader since it puts the screen in 
graphics mode.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:45:11AM -0700, Beth Hatch 
wrote:
> Hello John and all,
> 
> I'm just wondering.......  I have a version of the Spin Rite hard drive
> maintenance utility which boots as a CD using Free Dos.  It should be
> theoretically possible to make a bootable spin rite cd using JAWS and Free
> Dos then.  I unfortunately don't have a Double talk, but I do have a Dectalk
> Express.  I tried to install JAWS on a bootable cd, but I got into trouble
> somehow and though I found the floppy images that I downloaded from Freedom
> Scientific, I wasn't able to get them installed on to a CD.  I have a badly
> broken desktop pc that needs Spin Rite very badly to fix the hard drive, it
> would be really cool if I could use JAWS and Free Dos to make this work.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Beth 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of John G. Heim
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >
> > Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it on a 
> > CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies 
> > would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported 
> > source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word 
> > processor.
> >
> 
> By and large they'd say no.  I've seen it tried many times and mostly you
> get no answer or a refusal. I think these people still have lawyers telling
> them it's a bad idea. Maybe they have something to hide within their code --
> like that it wasn't entirely their own in the first place.
> 
> Anyway, I don't know anything about 4dos but the FreeDOS project is alive
> and well. Their mailing list is very active (google it). Anyone interested
> in DOS applications should definately check out FreeDOS. For instance, I
> know that Jaws for DOS; which is a free download on the Freedom Scientific
> web site; runs under FreeDOS.
> 
> I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS with
> jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk
> hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot from
> this diskette and get speech. See:
> 
> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img
> 
> The diskette image also includes CD-ROM support. So, theoretically, you can
> boot from a diskette made with this image and then access a CD-ROM. I was
> hoping to install Windows this way. But the Windows installer craps out when
> run under FreeDOS. However, you should be able to make a bootable CD-ROM
> with this image.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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RE: 4DOS

[Beth Hatch]

Hello Alex and all,

I contacted Gibson Research about making this program accessible. The
support agent said some blind person had put Spin Rite on a CD with a screen
reader and made it work but when I asked for more information than that, the
agent couldn't give me any further information.

Thanks,

Beth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:37 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: 4DOS

I believe, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, that spinrite isn't
accessible with a dos screenreader since it puts the screen in graphics
mode.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:45:11AM -0700, Beth Hatch
wrote:
> Hello John and all,
> 
> I'm just wondering.......  I have a version of the Spin Rite hard drive
> maintenance utility which boots as a CD using Free Dos.  It should be
> theoretically possible to make a bootable spin rite cd using JAWS and Free
> Dos then.  I unfortunately don't have a Double talk, but I do have a
Dectalk
> Express.  I tried to install JAWS on a bootable cd, but I got into trouble
> somehow and though I found the floppy images that I downloaded from
Freedom
> Scientific, I wasn't able to get them installed on to a CD.  I have a
badly
> broken desktop pc that needs Spin Rite very badly to fix the hard drive,
it
> would be really cool if I could use JAWS and Free Dos to make this work.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Beth 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of John G. Heim
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >
> > Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it on a 
> > CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies 
> > would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported 
> > source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word 
> > processor.
> >
> 
> By and large they'd say no.  I've seen it tried many times and mostly you
> get no answer or a refusal. I think these people still have lawyers
telling
> them it's a bad idea. Maybe they have something to hide within their code
--
> like that it wasn't entirely their own in the first place.
> 
> Anyway, I don't know anything about 4dos but the FreeDOS project is alive
> and well. Their mailing list is very active (google it). Anyone interested
> in DOS applications should definately check out FreeDOS. For instance, I
> know that Jaws for DOS; which is a free download on the Freedom Scientific
> web site; runs under FreeDOS.
> 
> I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS
with
> jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk
> hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot
from
> this diskette and get speech. See:
> 
> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img
> 
> The diskette image also includes CD-ROM support. So, theoretically, you
can
> boot from a diskette made with this image and then access a CD-ROM. I was
> hoping to install Windows this way. But the Windows installer craps out
when
> run under FreeDOS. However, you should be able to make a bootable CD-ROM
> with this image.
> 
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Re: Demos

[Brent Harding]

Wow, never knew the stream used Linux, what actually says this? The only 
clue is that there's OpenSSL in it for doing something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:27 AM
Subject: Demos


> Hi all,
>
> I have lots of disk space and access to a reliable web server running
> Debian Etch.  I will host demos of any old DOS products for the blind
> that people want to send.  I'm not really interested in magnifiers or
> Windows programs with the possible exception of Win 3.1.  I will host
> full versions that are not demos only if I get a legal statement from
> the person sending me the files that they have contacted the company in
> question and the company allows it.  I must also have copies of the
> email from the actual company stating this fact.  I will not share the
> email unless I'm asked.  I will leave it to someone else to make an
> image if they want.
>
> Regarding getting software relicensed, I doubt if the GPL would happen
> but a "freeware" closed source license probably would happen.  The
> companies aren't that hard to convince in some cases.  I'm sure Larry of
> Microtalk would do it but I don't know him personally.  I would really
> like to see APH release their Apple II software.  I am not experienced
> in advocating for license changes but I would appreciate it if someone
> would ask the various companies.  I'm sure GW Micro wouldn't go for it
> just because they still sell Vocal-Eyes.  I would be surprised if
> Freedom Scientific would either.  Humanware might because they use Linux
> as the OS on the Victor Reader Stream and seem to be more open.
>
> I'm not into regular DOS software demos unless they are very old,
> unusual, somehow significant, or otherwise hard to find.  There are
> already other sites doing that.  It should specifically be for the blind
> or have something to do with speech or Braille.  Due to a router issue,
> ftp doesn't work right so email attach is probably best.  If someone
> wants to walk me through fixing ftp on a Linksys router, I'll try my
> luck.  Don't expect any fancy web page but I'll put up the files
> assuming they are legal demos and not huge.  Huge is subject to my
> judgment but disk space isn't a problem right now.
>
> Gaijin wrote:
>> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
>> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
>> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
>> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
>> processor.
>>
>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[Nick Stockton]

Yes it's from november 2001.
It works just fine with my dos USB box.
I actuly have the demo versions from 1997, 1998 and 2001 along with a couple 
other asap related files which I have zipped up and will send to you off 
list.
the zip file is only around 800k so it isn't very big to attach.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> Hi,
>
> So basically you aren't really booting off the USB drive but from a
> floppy which passes control to the USB drive as it boots.  Interesting.
> Are you sure that the demo from 2001-ish is actually ASAP and not ASAP
> for Windows or ASAW?  I looked about then and the demo of ASAP was from
> many years earlier.  I don't actually need the demo right now but it
> would be good to host it somewhere for people who want it.  If you email
> attach the file, I'll put up on the web for download, at least 
> temporarily.
>
> Nick Stockton wrote:
>> well if no one is able to find the last version of the ASAP demo/update 
>> from
>> 2001/2002 I still have it.
>> I got it off of the MicroTalk website before it went down years ago and 
>> now
>> it appears the domain name was taken by a domain snatcher.
>> As far as running dos
>
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Re: 4DOS

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 07:17:31AM -0500, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> The editor 'joe' can be invoked with the name 'jstar' and emulates
> wordstar very closely. It can be invoked with other names to emulate
> other editors too.
:End-Quote:

	Kewl.  Thanks!  Hardest part about running linux is knowing
what-all's been installed and what it's for, let alone if it even
exists. <laughs>  I see that it's already installed.

Michael

Re: WWIV

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 08:41:02AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> There are two sites you should check out
:End-Quote:

	So, they ported WWIV to linux. <laughs>  I am truly amazed.
Wayne Bell was pretty tight-fisted over it and never released the
accompanying NetXX source, the program that transferred the network
packets from system to system.  Gonna have to download the source and
see what they've done.  Hope they've finally made it a multi-user
capable setup.  You used to have to run multiple instances of it, and it
still didn't share files very well.  Some of those old multi-player
online games were great.  Loved Trade Wars.  I'll fire over her number
in email.  Prolly get yelled at for posting it here, and the email I was
wanting to extract from theo old drive all came from that BBS.  If Wayne
Bell released the source, then the binaries are prolly still around,
too.  If she's still online, tell her "Bladesman" says "hello."    Thank
you for the links,

			Michael

Re: 4DOS

[Kerry Hoath]

This actually is not really the best way to go about this for a couple of 
reasons.
Firstly there is no write ability on a cd; so you can't read the spinrite 
log when finished.
secondly jaws4dos is a bit big for a boot disk, better look at something 
like provox or asap if you have them.
If you can make a spinrite floppy it can be modified to have some speech 
although the working displays won't talk at all.
You make the boot floppy with normal dos, and fire off your screen reader in 
dos. you then execute a command like the folowing:
spinrite drive 0 level 3 auto exit

this will scan and fix the hard drive; logging if possible and exiting to 
dos when done.

spinrite is an excellent bit of gear however know that it can not lowlevel 
format newer ide hard disks even if it wanted to; and although you might get 
your data back; if the number of reallocated sectors is bigger than 10 or so 
time to image what you got back onto a new drive.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth Hatch" <bhatch200@comcast.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:45 AM
Subject: RE: 4DOS


> Hello John and all,
>
> I'm just wondering.......  I have a version of the Spin Rite hard drive
> maintenance utility which boots as a CD using Free Dos.  It should be
> theoretically possible to make a bootable spin rite cd using JAWS and Free
> Dos then.  I unfortunately don't have a Double talk, but I do have a 
> Dectalk
> Express.  I tried to install JAWS on a bootable cd, but I got into trouble
> somehow and though I found the floppy images that I downloaded from 
> Freedom
> Scientific, I wasn't able to get them installed on to a CD.  I have a 
> badly
> broken desktop pc that needs Spin Rite very badly to fix the hard drive, 
> it
> would be really cool if I could use JAWS and Free Dos to make this work.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Beth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of John G. Heim
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>
>> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it on a
>> CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
>> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
>> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
>> processor.
>>
>
> By and large they'd say no.  I've seen it tried many times and mostly you
> get no answer or a refusal. I think these people still have lawyers 
> telling
> them it's a bad idea. Maybe they have something to hide within their 
> code --
> like that it wasn't entirely their own in the first place.
>
> Anyway, I don't know anything about 4dos but the FreeDOS project is alive
> and well. Their mailing list is very active (google it). Anyone interested
> in DOS applications should definately check out FreeDOS. For instance, I
> know that Jaws for DOS; which is a free download on the Freedom Scientific
> web site; runs under FreeDOS.
>
> I have a diskette image on my web site that allows you to boot freeDOS 
> with
> jaws for DOS. It's configured to start talking with an external doubletalk
> hardware synth. In other words, if you have a doubletalk, you can boot 
> from
> this diskette and get speech. See:
>
> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img
>
> The diskette image also includes CD-ROM support. So, theoretically, you 
> can
> boot from a diskette made with this image and then access a CD-ROM. I was
> hoping to install Windows this way. But the Windows installer craps out 
> when
> run under FreeDOS. However, you should be able to make a bootable CD-ROM
> with this image.
>
>
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Re: Demos

[Kerry Hoath]

you can uncompress the firmware images and they contain an arm kernel and an 
initial ramdisk which does indeed contain a pile of audio and some ARM elf 
binaries.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Demos


> Wow, never knew the stream used Linux, what actually says this? The only
> clue is that there's OpenSSL in it for doing something.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: Demos
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have lots of disk space and access to a reliable web server running
>> Debian Etch.  I will host demos of any old DOS products for the blind
>> that people want to send.  I'm not really interested in magnifiers or
>> Windows programs with the possible exception of Win 3.1.  I will host
>> full versions that are not demos only if I get a legal statement from
>> the person sending me the files that they have contacted the company in
>> question and the company allows it.  I must also have copies of the
>> email from the actual company stating this fact.  I will not share the
>> email unless I'm asked.  I will leave it to someone else to make an
>> image if they want.
>>
>> Regarding getting software relicensed, I doubt if the GPL would happen
>> but a "freeware" closed source license probably would happen.  The
>> companies aren't that hard to convince in some cases.  I'm sure Larry of
>> Microtalk would do it but I don't know him personally.  I would really
>> like to see APH release their Apple II software.  I am not experienced
>> in advocating for license changes but I would appreciate it if someone
>> would ask the various companies.  I'm sure GW Micro wouldn't go for it
>> just because they still sell Vocal-Eyes.  I would be surprised if
>> Freedom Scientific would either.  Humanware might because they use Linux
>> as the OS on the Victor Reader Stream and seem to be more open.
>>
>> I'm not into regular DOS software demos unless they are very old,
>> unusual, somehow significant, or otherwise hard to find.  There are
>> already other sites doing that.  It should specifically be for the blind
>> or have something to do with speech or Braille.  Due to a router issue,
>> ftp doesn't work right so email attach is probably best.  If someone
>> wants to walk me through fixing ftp on a Linksys router, I'll try my
>> luck.  Don't expect any fancy web page but I'll put up the files
>> assuming they are legal demos and not huge.  Huge is subject to my
>> judgment but disk space isn't a problem right now.
>>
>> Gaijin wrote:
>>> Think it would be nice to collect all this old stuff and put it
>>> on a CD or DVD iso image.  I wonder what some of these defunct companies
>>> would say if we asked them to release the old, no longer supported
>>> source code to the GPL.  I miss the old WordStar Professional word
>>> processor.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Demos

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

OpenSSL was actually developed for OpenBSD, so that really isn't a clue 
to anything. It also has been ported to Windows and other BSD variants. 
I can prove though that it definitely runs on Linux. Next time you 
download a software upgrade, unzip it and check the file with the 
file(1) command. Since I don't know if you are a legal owner or not, I 
won't paste the output here but it is easy enough for anyone to find 
out. I happened to know by accident because I thought I would check just 
to see if the file command gave me any clues.

Brent Harding wrote:
> Wow, never knew the stream used Linux, what actually says this? The only 
> clue is that there's OpenSSL in it for doing something.
>   

Re: 4DOS

[Doug Smith]

What I want to do is to write a science fiⅻtion story series, put up a
web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word processing
software to do it with.  Here are the few questions I have about that
jstar.  I was playing with it yesterday, and could not find enough
information on it to know if it is what I really want or not.  

1. Does it have all the extras that a word processor has, such as
bold, underlining, and italics? 

2. Does it save documents in several formats as word processors
usually do? 

3. Is it possible to make paragraphs that look nice and do not have
those blank lines between them, thus producing a document that anyone
knows was done with a text editor rather than a real word processing
package?

If I can get answers to these questions, I will know what I have to
do.  



Thanks. 




-- 
I use grml (http://grml.org/)

Re: 4DOS

[Gaijin]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:32:57PM -0500, Doug Smith wrote:
> What I want to do is to write a science fi???tion story series, put up a
> web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
> want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word processing
> software to do it with.
:End-Quote:

	Have you tried contacting ExLibris?  They will often take on new
authors and publish their works on the web, rather than going	through
the trouble of running off a full-fledged printing that may or may not
sell.  As for jstar, it's likely only a text editor with WordStar key
commands.  Even WordStar professional used dot-commands to modify text
attributes, since it wasn't a GUI word processor.  You get the same
effect by using tron/troff commands in a document in *nix.   A couple
keystrokes would hide or display those dot-commands, as well as the
carriage returns at the end of each paragraph.  WordStar Pro would just
save each paragraph as a single line of text, but display it on-screen
as being wrapped, as well as line text up on the right margin as well as
the left, so it looked like your typical printed page.  It did have a
graphical print preview that would show you what the eventual printed
page would look like though, but it was a CLI/text-only word processor.
	Since I barely have the GUI working on this thing, I can't tell
you much more about the word processors in linux.  Perhaps Open Office.
Also, O'Reilly's tech manuals very closely match their HTML  versions
published on the web, so you might consider using HTML to format your
text, rather than tron and troff.  I never really got into the printing
aspects of Linux.  linuxprinting.org might have more info on the
subject.  HTH,

			Michael

Re: 4DOS

[josh]

Hi,

How much can you get an external doubletalk for these days? or an artic or 
accent synth?

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:32:57PM -0500, Doug Smith wrote:
>> What I want to do is to write a science fi???tion story series, put up a
>> web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
>> want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word processing
>> software to do it with.
> :End-Quote:
>
> Have you tried contacting ExLibris?  They will often take on new
> authors and publish their works on the web, rather than going through
> the trouble of running off a full-fledged printing that may or may not
> sell.  As for jstar, it's likely only a text editor with WordStar key
> commands.  Even WordStar professional used dot-commands to modify text
> attributes, since it wasn't a GUI word processor.  You get the same
> effect by using tron/troff commands in a document in *nix.   A couple
> keystrokes would hide or display those dot-commands, as well as the
> carriage returns at the end of each paragraph.  WordStar Pro would just
> save each paragraph as a single line of text, but display it on-screen
> as being wrapped, as well as line text up on the right margin as well as
> the left, so it looked like your typical printed page.  It did have a
> graphical print preview that would show you what the eventual printed
> page would look like though, but it was a CLI/text-only word processor.
> Since I barely have the GUI working on this thing, I can't tell
> you much more about the word processors in linux.  Perhaps Open Office.
> Also, O'Reilly's tech manuals very closely match their HTML  versions
> published on the web, so you might consider using HTML to format your
> text, rather than tron and troff.  I never really got into the printing
> aspects of Linux.  linuxprinting.org might have more info on the
> subject.  HTH,
>
> Michael
>
>
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Re: 4DOS

[Nick Stockton]

You can still buy the doubletalk lt from rc systems for $200
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "josh" <jkenn337@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> Hi,
>
> How much can you get an external doubletalk for these days? or an artic or
> accent synth?
>
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:32:57PM -0500, Doug Smith wrote:
>>> What I want to do is to write a science fi???tion story series, put up a
>>> web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
>>> want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word processing
>>> software to do it with.
>> :End-Quote:
>>
>> Have you tried contacting ExLibris?  They will often take on new
>> authors and publish their works on the web, rather than going through
>> the trouble of running off a full-fledged printing that may or may not
>> sell.  As for jstar, it's likely only a text editor with WordStar key
>> commands.  Even WordStar professional used dot-commands to modify text
>> attributes, since it wasn't a GUI word processor.  You get the same
>> effect by using tron/troff commands in a document in *nix.   A couple
>> keystrokes would hide or display those dot-commands, as well as the
>> carriage returns at the end of each paragraph.  WordStar Pro would just
>> save each paragraph as a single line of text, but display it on-screen
>> as being wrapped, as well as line text up on the right margin as well as
>> the left, so it looked like your typical printed page.  It did have a
>> graphical print preview that would show you what the eventual printed
>> page would look like though, but it was a CLI/text-only word processor.
>> Since I barely have the GUI working on this thing, I can't tell
>> you much more about the word processors in linux.  Perhaps Open Office.
>> Also, O'Reilly's tech manuals very closely match their HTML  versions
>> published on the web, so you might consider using HTML to format your
>> text, rather than tron and troff.  I never really got into the printing
>> aspects of Linux.  linuxprinting.org might have more info on the
>> subject.  HTH,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

will it work in windows xp with jaws or window-eyes?

Josh

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> You can still buy the doubletalk lt from rc systems for $200
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "josh" <jkenn337@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How much can you get an external doubletalk for these days? or an artic 
>> or
>> accent synth?
>>
>> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
>> skype: jkenn337
>> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:32:57PM -0500, Doug Smith wrote:
>>>> What I want to do is to write a science fi???tion story series, put up 
>>>> a
>>>> web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
>>>> want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word processing
>>>> software to do it with.
>>> :End-Quote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried contacting ExLibris?  They will often take on new
>>> authors and publish their works on the web, rather than going through
>>> the trouble of running off a full-fledged printing that may or may not
>>> sell.  As for jstar, it's likely only a text editor with WordStar key
>>> commands.  Even WordStar professional used dot-commands to modify text
>>> attributes, since it wasn't a GUI word processor.  You get the same
>>> effect by using tron/troff commands in a document in *nix.   A couple
>>> keystrokes would hide or display those dot-commands, as well as the
>>> carriage returns at the end of each paragraph.  WordStar Pro would just
>>> save each paragraph as a single line of text, but display it on-screen
>>> as being wrapped, as well as line text up on the right margin as well as
>>> the left, so it looked like your typical printed page.  It did have a
>>> graphical print preview that would show you what the eventual printed
>>> page would look like though, but it was a CLI/text-only word processor.
>>> Since I barely have the GUI working on this thing, I can't tell
>>> you much more about the word processors in linux.  Perhaps Open Office.
>>> Also, O'Reilly's tech manuals very closely match their HTML  versions
>>> published on the web, so you might consider using HTML to format your
>>> text, rather than tron and troff.  I never really got into the printing
>>> aspects of Linux.  linuxprinting.org might have more info on the
>>> subject.  HTH,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
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Re: 4DOS

[Nick Stockton]

It does for me.
The hard part is finding a computer with a serial port.
If you want to spend twice as much you can get a trippletalk USB but I don't 
know if it is 100% compatible with the doubletalk so not sure if it would 
work using speakup's doubletalk drivers
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "josh" <jkenn337@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> will it work in windows xp with jaws or window-eyes?
>
> Josh
>
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
>> You can still buy the doubletalk lt from rc systems for $200
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "josh" <jkenn337@gmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> How much can you get an external doubletalk for these days? or an artic
>>> or
>>> accent synth?
>>>
>>> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
>>> skype: jkenn337
>>> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:32:57PM -0500, Doug Smith wrote:
>>>>> What I want to do is to write a science fi???tion story series, put up
>>>>> a
>>>>> web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
>>>>> want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word processing
>>>>> software to do it with.
>>>> :End-Quote:
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried contacting ExLibris?  They will often take on new
>>>> authors and publish their works on the web, rather than going through
>>>> the trouble of running off a full-fledged printing that may or may not
>>>> sell.  As for jstar, it's likely only a text editor with WordStar key
>>>> commands.  Even WordStar professional used dot-commands to modify text
>>>> attributes, since it wasn't a GUI word processor.  You get the same
>>>> effect by using tron/troff commands in a document in *nix.   A couple
>>>> keystrokes would hide or display those dot-commands, as well as the
>>>> carriage returns at the end of each paragraph.  WordStar Pro would just
>>>> save each paragraph as a single line of text, but display it on-screen
>>>> as being wrapped, as well as line text up on the right margin as well 
>>>> as
>>>> the left, so it looked like your typical printed page.  It did have a
>>>> graphical print preview that would show you what the eventual printed
>>>> page would look like though, but it was a CLI/text-only word processor.
>>>> Since I barely have the GUI working on this thing, I can't tell
>>>> you much more about the word processors in linux.  Perhaps Open Office.
>>>> Also, O'Reilly's tech manuals very closely match their HTML  versions
>>>> published on the web, so you might consider using HTML to format your
>>>> text, rather than tron and troff.  I never really got into the printing
>>>> aspects of Linux.  linuxprinting.org might have more info on the
>>>> subject.  HTH,
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: 4DOS

[josh]

you could buy a serial card that you install in your computer which will 
give you serial ports.

Josh

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: 4DOS


> It does for me.
> The hard part is finding a computer with a serial port.
> If you want to spend twice as much you can get a trippletalk USB but I 
> don't
> know if it is 100% compatible with the doubletalk so not sure if it would
> work using speakup's doubletalk drivers
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "josh" <jkenn337@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>
>
>> will it work in windows xp with jaws or window-eyes?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
>> skype: jkenn337
>> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@gmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>>
>>
>>> You can still buy the doubletalk lt from rc systems for $200
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "josh" <jkenn337@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> How much can you get an external doubletalk for these days? or an artic
>>>> or
>>>> accent synth?
>>>>
>>>> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
>>>> skype: jkenn337
>>>> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: 4DOS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:32:57PM -0500, Doug Smith wrote:
>>>>>> What I want to do is to write a science fi???tion story series, put 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> web site, and publish this story series for sale.  However, I don't
>>>>>> want to have to do it with a text editor.  I want real word 
>>>>>> processing
>>>>>> software to do it with.
>>>>> :End-Quote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried contacting ExLibris?  They will often take on new
>>>>> authors and publish their works on the web, rather than going through
>>>>> the trouble of running off a full-fledged printing that may or may not
>>>>> sell.  As for jstar, it's likely only a text editor with WordStar key
>>>>> commands.  Even WordStar professional used dot-commands to modify text
>>>>> attributes, since it wasn't a GUI word processor.  You get the same
>>>>> effect by using tron/troff commands in a document in *nix.   A couple
>>>>> keystrokes would hide or display those dot-commands, as well as the
>>>>> carriage returns at the end of each paragraph.  WordStar Pro would 
>>>>> just
>>>>> save each paragraph as a single line of text, but display it on-screen
>>>>> as being wrapped, as well as line text up on the right margin as well
>>>>> as
>>>>> the left, so it looked like your typical printed page.  It did have a
>>>>> graphical print preview that would show you what the eventual printed
>>>>> page would look like though, but it was a CLI/text-only word 
>>>>> processor.
>>>>> Since I barely have the GUI working on this thing, I can't tell
>>>>> you much more about the word processors in linux.  Perhaps Open 
>>>>> Office.
>>>>> Also, O'Reilly's tech manuals very closely match their HTML  versions
>>>>> published on the web, so you might consider using HTML to format your
>>>>> text, rather than tron and troff.  I never really got into the 
>>>>> printing
>>>>> aspects of Linux.  linuxprinting.org might have more info on the
>>>>> subject.  HTH,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
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