Ubuntu or Fedora which one

Ubuntu or Fedora which one

[Michael Weaver]

I have been using Ubuntu for a good while now and I am still using it
at home on my desktop which duel boots with Windows XP until I can get
more accessibility using a web browser with speech be that Orca or
Speakup.
Ben Fowler one of the Huddersfield Linux Group chaps who has been
helping me with my system at home didn't think that Speakup was being
dropped in the next release of Ubuntu but when we talked about it this
week at a meeting in Birstall which I managed to get to as a lot of
people attend both groups and I try to when I can get transport, he
said it would be a disappointing move if it was.
This makes me wonder if I should perhaps should switch to Fedora. I
know I don't have a hardware synthesiser and Speakup's enphasis is on
hardware speech but would it be a better move switching in order to
get both graphical and text console support?
I could of course stick with Ubuntu especially with me now having the
Braillenote which seems to give me access to Brltty but what does
anybody else think?
What hints would anyone give if I were to make a switch ie being able
to get access to configuring wireless Internet etc?
Trying to set up for Internet via wireless has not happened in Ubuntu
so I am still using my router which connected to my Ethanet port.

Re: Ubuntu or Fedora which one and now 2.6.22

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi all

On Sun, Jul 29, Michael Weaver wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu for a good while now and I am still using it
> at home on my desktop which duel boots with Windows XP until I can get
> more accessibility using a web browser with speech be that Orca or
> Speakup.
> Ben Fowler one of the Huddersfield Linux Group chaps who has been
> helping me with my system at home didn't think that Speakup was being
> dropped in the next release of Ubuntu but when we talked about it this
> week at a meeting in Birstall which I managed to get to as a lot of
> people attend both groups and I try to when I can get transport, he
> said it would be a disappointing move if it was.
> This makes me wonder if I should perhaps should switch to Fedora. I
> know I don't have a hardware synthesiser and Speakup's enphasis is on
> hardware speech but would it be a better move switching in order to
> get both graphical and text console support?
> I could of course stick with Ubuntu especially with me now having the
> Braillenote which seems to give me access to Brltty but what does
> anybody else think?

Fedora doesn't include speakup either.  RedHat 8 was the only version that speakup was included with.  What we are up against is the same thing we've been up against for almost 10 years now.    It's a complex problem that is not easy to fix.  Going forward in any distro is going to be hard to do until we get an answer to the troubles that plagues us in kernel 2.6.22 and beyond.  If we get that sorted, and I believe it will based on past experience, then who ever is working on what ever distro will gladly make speakup enabled kernels and boot media available.  This is what we have been doing since 1999 and it will continue on.  Speakup is the screen reader of choice for most blind linux users because it doesn't suck!  We aren't the only ones who are going to have to use older kernels then are distros provide.  This is not that bad for a while.  

Let me just take this opportunity to thank all of the folks who gen up speakup packages for us.  Shane and Bill and Luke and Mario and Tommy and Gene and Kirk and myself, way back when.  I hope I didn't miss anyone.  This stuff will continue forward with folks like us stepping up at different points to get things done that need to be done.  Is it optimum?  Of course not.  But it's a heck of a lot better then we could be doing.

And thanks most of all to Kirk for providing us with this wonderful software.

--Frank

Re: Ubuntu or Fedora which one

[Janina Sajka]

I strongly suggest you make a decision and stick with it. As the old
adage has it, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Don't get me wrong. I like Fedora. I've used it for years, and I plan to
stay with it. But, if you've been learning Ubuntu, you need a much
better reason than you give below for leaving it in favor of some other
distro. That's no way to learn Linux. Once you're very comfortable,
perhaps you might want the experience of different distros so that you
can compare how things are done--but that's a different issue.

I stand by the advice we have long provided in the Speakup Modified
Fedora Installation HOWTO, which I now quote:

"Clearly, all users can choose among several Linux distributions, and we
note and applaud the several distributions of GNU/Linux that now
directly provide Speakup in their standard distribution
channels--including Slackware and Debian. Which particular distribution
one should choose is really a matter of personal choice. Our only advice
is that users unfamiliar with Linux choose a distribution for which they
can most easily get help when they have questions. In other words, it's
harder for the user of Fedora to help someone using Debian or Slackware.
This is an important point because beginning users will most certainly
have questions--many questions."


Janina

Michael Weaver writes:
> I have been using Ubuntu for a good while now and I am still using it
> at home on my desktop which duel boots with Windows XP until I can get
> more accessibility using a web browser with speech be that Orca or
> Speakup.
> Ben Fowler one of the Huddersfield Linux Group chaps who has been
> helping me with my system at home didn't think that Speakup was being
> dropped in the next release of Ubuntu but when we talked about it this
> week at a meeting in Birstall which I managed to get to as a lot of
> people attend both groups and I try to when I can get transport, he
> said it would be a disappointing move if it was.
> This makes me wonder if I should perhaps should switch to Fedora. I
> know I don't have a hardware synthesiser and Speakup's enphasis is on
> hardware speech but would it be a better move switching in order to
> get both graphical and text console support?
> I could of course stick with Ubuntu especially with me now having the
> Braillenote which seems to give me access to Brltty but what does
> anybody else think?
> What hints would anyone give if I were to make a switch ie being able
> to get access to configuring wireless Internet etc?
> Trying to set up for Internet via wireless has not happened in Ubuntu
> so I am still using my router which connected to my Ethanet port.
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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RE: Ubuntu or Fedora which one

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

On the issue of your wireless hardware, have you established what chipset it contains?  Once you have done a "lspci" or 2lsusb" and note your wireless device, you can google for the Linux options, if any are open to you.  Obviously, at that point you can then look at support for that chipset within different distributions.

It is not likely to be any distributions fault in respect of a shortage of available wireless support.

Gena

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-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Weaver
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Ubuntu or Fedora which one


I have been using Ubuntu for a good while now and I am still using it
at home on my desktop which duel boots with Windows XP until I can get
more accessibility using a web browser with speech be that Orca or
Speakup.
Ben Fowler one of the Huddersfield Linux Group chaps who has been
helping me with my system at home didn't think that Speakup was being
dropped in the next release of Ubuntu but when we talked about it this
week at a meeting in Birstall which I managed to get to as a lot of
people attend both groups and I try to when I can get transport, he
said it would be a disappointing move if it was.
This makes me wonder if I should perhaps should switch to Fedora. I
know I don't have a hardware synthesiser and Speakup's enphasis is on
hardware speech but would it be a better move switching in order to
get both graphical and text console support?
I could of course stick with Ubuntu especially with me now having the
Braillenote which seems to give me access to Brltty but what does
anybody else think?
What hints would anyone give if I were to make a switch ie being able
to get access to configuring wireless Internet etc?
Trying to set up for Internet via wireless has not happened in Ubuntu
so I am still using my router which connected to my Ethanet port.

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