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* Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
@  Krister Ekstrom
   ` Erik Heil
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Krister Ekstrom @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi  speakup,

  I have just installed Fedora core 1.0 using the speakup enabled
  boot-orig.iso disc. The installation went well, i can even boot from
  the hard drive now, but unfortunately it seems it boots into a
  graphical mode and i can't get a text console to start my Speakup,
  if such a beast exists on my hard drive at the moment.
  I'm at a loss as to what to do and so i ask the fedora users out
  there for any assistance.
  TIA

- --
/Krister
                           mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net
Get pgp keys here: mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net?subject=get_pgp_keys
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* Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
   Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode Krister Ekstrom
@  ` Erik Heil
     ` Janina Sajka
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Erik Heil @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Krister Ekstrom, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

What you need to do is change the default runlevel the system boots into,
and all should be fine.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <crisekstrom@bredband.net>
To: "speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:46 AM
Subject: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> Hi  speakup,
>
>   I have just installed Fedora core 1.0 using the speakup enabled
>   boot-orig.iso disc. The installation went well, i can even boot from
>   the hard drive now, but unfortunately it seems it boots into a
>   graphical mode and i can't get a text console to start my Speakup,
>   if such a beast exists on my hard drive at the moment.
>   I'm at a loss as to what to do and so i ask the fedora users out
>   there for any assistance.
>   TIA
>
> - --
> /Krister
>                            mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net
> Get pgp keys here: mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net?subject=get_pgp_keys
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP)
>
> iD8DBQE/r6TJODlJeoMTOQsRAxlJAJ4+G5Y+8rSvA4oEFQcIgBF9qCz6IwCfQdsN
> 2H/yLRF1LZwSAoJn5zSQqw0=
> =DHuH
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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* Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
   ` Erik Heil
@    ` Janina Sajka
       ` Sina Bahram
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Erik Heil, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Yes, this advice is correct, but executing it isn't quite straight
forward, regretably.

The problem is something called First Boot which doesn't follow the
standard GUI convention on Linux which lets you go to a text console by
pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc.).

So, you need to boot first into single user mode from whence you can:

chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off

At that point, you may start in a graphical logon screen, but you'll be
able to Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console logon screen.

To go to single user mode:

1.)	If using grub do 'a s' during the grub screen.

PS:	You've probably not made grub accessible, so this may be a bit
hit and miss.

2.)	If using lilo do:

[default.kernel.name] s


Erik Heil writes:
> From: "Erik Heil" <eheil@patmedia.net>
> 
> What you need to do is change the default runlevel the system boots into,
> and all should be fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" <crisekstrom@bredband.net>
> To: "speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:46 AM
> Subject: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> 
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
> >
> > Hi  speakup,
> >
> >   I have just installed Fedora core 1.0 using the speakup enabled
> >   boot-orig.iso disc. The installation went well, i can even boot from
> >   the hard drive now, but unfortunately it seems it boots into a
> >   graphical mode and i can't get a text console to start my Speakup,
> >   if such a beast exists on my hard drive at the moment.
> >   I'm at a loss as to what to do and so i ask the fedora users out
> >   there for any assistance.
> >   TIA
> >
> > - --
> > /Krister
> >                            mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net
> > Get pgp keys here: mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net?subject=get_pgp_keys
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP)
> >
> > iD8DBQE/r6TJODlJeoMTOQsRAxlJAJ4+G5Y+8rSvA4oEFQcIgBF9qCz6IwCfQdsN
> > 2H/yLRF1LZwSAoJn5zSQqw0=
> > =DHuH
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org


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* RE: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
     ` Janina Sajka
@      ` Sina Bahram
         ` Alex Snow
                         ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Sina Bahram @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'

If one boots into a textual login and then needs to startup gnome. What
is the command for this?

Thanks,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Erik Heil; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode


Yes, this advice is correct, but executing it isn't quite straight
forward, regretably.

The problem is something called First Boot which doesn't follow the
standard GUI convention on Linux which lets you go to a text console by
pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc.).

So, you need to boot first into single user mode from whence you can:

chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off

At that point, you may start in a graphical logon screen, but you'll be
able to Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console logon screen.

To go to single user mode:

1.)	If using grub do 'a s' during the grub screen.

PS:	You've probably not made grub accessible, so this may be a bit
hit and miss.

2.)	If using lilo do:

[default.kernel.name] s


Erik Heil writes:
> From: "Erik Heil" <eheil@patmedia.net>
> 
> What you need to do is change the default runlevel the system boots 
> into, and all should be fine.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" <crisekstrom@bredband.net>
> To: "speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:46 AM
> Subject: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> 
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
> >
> > Hi  speakup,
> >
> >   I have just installed Fedora core 1.0 using the speakup enabled
> >   boot-orig.iso disc. The installation went well, i can even boot
from
> >   the hard drive now, but unfortunately it seems it boots into a
> >   graphical mode and i can't get a text console to start my Speakup,
> >   if such a beast exists on my hard drive at the moment.
> >   I'm at a loss as to what to do and so i ask the fedora users out
> >   there for any assistance.
> >   TIA
> >
> > - --
> > /Krister
> >                            mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net Get pgp 
> > keys here: mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net?subject=get_pgp_keys
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP)
> >
> > iD8DBQE/r6TJODlJeoMTOQsRAxlJAJ4+G5Y+8rSvA4oEFQcIgBF9qCz6IwCfQdsN
> > 2H/yLRF1LZwSAoJn5zSQqw0=
> > =DHuH
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup




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* Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
       ` Sina Bahram
@        ` Alex Snow
         ` Jacob Schmude
         ` Kenny Hitt
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sbahram, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

I always did gdm then entered my username then enter then my password 
then enter. that's probably not the best way however.
On Mon, Nov 10, 
2003 at 06:45:38PM -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> If one boots into a textual login and then needs to startup gnome. What
> is the command for this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sina
> 
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: Erik Heil; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> 
> 
> Yes, this advice is correct, but executing it isn't quite straight
> forward, regretably.
> 
> The problem is something called First Boot which doesn't follow the
> standard GUI convention on Linux which lets you go to a text console by
> pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc.).
> 
> So, you need to boot first into single user mode from whence you can:
> 
> chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off
> 
> At that point, you may start in a graphical logon screen, but you'll be
> able to Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console logon screen.
> 
> To go to single user mode:
> 
> 1.)	If using grub do 'a s' during the grub screen.
> 
> PS:	You've probably not made grub accessible, so this may be a bit
> hit and miss.
> 
> 2.)	If using lilo do:
> 
> [default.kernel.name] s
> 
> 
> Erik Heil writes:
> > From: "Erik Heil" <eheil@patmedia.net>
> > 
> > What you need to do is change the default runlevel the system boots 
> > into, and all should be fine.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Krister Ekstrom" <crisekstrom@bredband.net>
> > To: "speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:46 AM
> > Subject: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> > 
> > 
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > >
> > > Hi  speakup,
> > >
> > >   I have just installed Fedora core 1.0 using the speakup enabled
> > >   boot-orig.iso disc. The installation went well, i can even boot
> from
> > >   the hard drive now, but unfortunately it seems it boots into a
> > >   graphical mode and i can't get a text console to start my Speakup,
> > >   if such a beast exists on my hard drive at the moment.
> > >   I'm at a loss as to what to do and so i ask the fedora users out
> > >   there for any assistance.
> > >   TIA
> > >
> > > - --
> > > /Krister
> > >                            mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net Get pgp 
> > > keys here: mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net?subject=get_pgp_keys
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP)
> > >
> > > iD8DBQE/r6TJODlJeoMTOQsRAxlJAJ4+G5Y+8rSvA4oEFQcIgBF9qCz6IwCfQdsN
> > > 2H/yLRF1LZwSAoJn5zSQqw0=
> > > =DHuH
> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?


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* RE: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
         ` Jacob Schmude
@          ` Sina Bahram
             ` Kenny Hitt
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Sina Bahram @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'

Thank you. I was familiar with the startx command, but wanted to make
sure that I was using the command that would load gnome whether it was
the default or not. It is my understanding that startx can also load
KDE, is this correct?

Thanks,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:22 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode


Hi
Assuming GNOME is set as your desktop, the command is:
startx
HTH	

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:45:38 -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:

>If one boots into a textual login and then needs to startup gnome. What

>is the command for this?
>




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* RE: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
       ` Sina Bahram
         ` Alex Snow
@        ` Jacob Schmude
           ` Sina Bahram
         ` Kenny Hitt
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jacob Schmude @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hi
Assuming GNOME is set as your desktop, the command is:
startx
HTH	

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:45:38 -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:

>If one boots into a textual login and then needs to startup gnome. What
>is the command for this?
>





^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
       ` Sina Bahram
         ` Alex Snow
         ` Jacob Schmude
@        ` Kenny Hitt
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Kenny Hitt @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sbahram, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

You could try creating a .xinitrc file in your home directory.  (Note the
dot in .xinitrc)  In the .xinitrc file put

exec gnome-session

Save it and then type 
startx

You should end in a gnome session.  Remember that you will switch
consoles as X starts so you might get a lot of talking from your synth
as you switch.  If you want to look at the errors that happen during
your session, use ctl-alt-function key to get back to the console where
you ran the startx command.  When you end the Gnome session, you will be
returned to the console where you typed the startx command.

Personally, I find it easier to let gdm start and log in using it
instead of starting Gnome from a text console.

         Kenny

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:45:38PM -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> If one boots into a textual login and then needs to startup gnome. What
> is the command for this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sina
> 
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: Erik Heil; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> 
> 
> Yes, this advice is correct, but executing it isn't quite straight
> forward, regretably.
> 
> The problem is something called First Boot which doesn't follow the
> standard GUI convention on Linux which lets you go to a text console by
> pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc.).
> 
> So, you need to boot first into single user mode from whence you can:
> 
> chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off
> 
> At that point, you may start in a graphical logon screen, but you'll be
> able to Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console logon screen.
> 
> To go to single user mode:
> 
> 1.)	If using grub do 'a s' during the grub screen.
> 
> PS:	You've probably not made grub accessible, so this may be a bit
> hit and miss.
> 
> 2.)	If using lilo do:
> 
> [default.kernel.name] s
> 
> 
> Erik Heil writes:
> > From: "Erik Heil" <eheil@patmedia.net>
> > 
> > What you need to do is change the default runlevel the system boots 
> > into, and all should be fine.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Krister Ekstrom" <crisekstrom@bredband.net>
> > To: "speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:46 AM
> > Subject: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> > 
> > 
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
> > >
> > > Hi  speakup,
> > >
> > >   I have just installed Fedora core 1.0 using the speakup enabled
> > >   boot-orig.iso disc. The installation went well, i can even boot
> from
> > >   the hard drive now, but unfortunately it seems it boots into a
> > >   graphical mode and i can't get a text console to start my Speakup,
> > >   if such a beast exists on my hard drive at the moment.
> > >   I'm at a loss as to what to do and so i ask the fedora users out
> > >   there for any assistance.
> > >   TIA
> > >
> > > - --
> > > /Krister
> > >                            mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net Get pgp 
> > > keys here: mailto:crisekstrom@bredband.net?subject=get_pgp_keys
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP)
> > >
> > > iD8DBQE/r6TJODlJeoMTOQsRAxlJAJ4+G5Y+8rSvA4oEFQcIgBF9qCz6IwCfQdsN
> > > 2H/yLRF1LZwSAoJn5zSQqw0=
> > > =DHuH
> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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* Re: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
           ` Sina Bahram
@            ` Kenny Hitt
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Kenny Hitt @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sbahram, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

See my earlier message.  If you create the .xinitrc file, you will make
certain that Gnome starts for your user.

         Kenny

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:18:32PM -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Thank you. I was familiar with the startx command, but wanted to make
> sure that I was using the command that would load gnome whether it was
> the default or not. It is my understanding that startx can also load
> KDE, is this correct?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sina
> 
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:22 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: RE: Heeeelp, my Fedora won't let me start in text mode
> 
> 
> Hi
> Assuming GNOME is set as your desktop, the command is:
> startx
> HTH	
> 
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:45:38 -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> 
> >If one boots into a textual login and then needs to startup gnome. What
> 
> >is the command for this?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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