RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Holmes, Steve]

Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness where
I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much easier
than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with the
spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is no
text based browser for linux that supports java script.

I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support but I
still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.

-----Original Message-----
From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
handle forms.


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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Victor Tsaran]

Definitely. This is where Linux falls behind. Lynx is an outfashioned web
browser, although still quite usable. I am eagerly waiting for GNOME 2.0 to
come out, because it will contain accessibility hooks that will allow
writing screen readers and magnifiers easier.
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


> Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness
where
> I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much easier
> than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with the
> spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is no
> text based browser for linux that supports java script.
>
> I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support but I
> still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
>
>
> I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> handle forms.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Amanda Lee]

One aspect I like about lynx is taht one can bash through frames more
easily than in netscum and WindBlows Exploder!


Amanda Lee



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Definitely. This is where Linux falls behind. Lynx is an outfashioned web
> browser, although still quite usable. I am eagerly waiting for GNOME 2.0 to
> come out, because it will contain accessibility hooks that will allow
> writing screen readers and magnifiers easier.
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:46 PM
> Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
>
>
> > Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness
> where
> > I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much easier
> > than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with the
> > spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is no
> > text based browser for linux that supports java script.
> >
> > I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support but I
> > still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> >
> >
> > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > handle forms.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Amanda Lee]

I would like to suggest that you look at the Web Accessability Initiative
guidelines by going to:

http://www.w3c.org

Click on the link for "wai"

>From a pure useability perspective, I'd say that using check boxes or a
pulldown are each okay.  However, please clearly indicate to the user what
is expected such as please check or please select your desired answer.

I also believe that check boxes which allow an "x" to appear when checked
are easier to discern in lynx or other text-oriented browser.

If you allow a user to manually type in their answers, then please be
certain that those edit boxes are clearly labeled/tagged
 such that a Screen Reader can speak what these edit boxes are when the
user comes to sed edit box.

Many times, I have to literally go into Screen Review in a DOS Screen
Reader to verify that I entered information into the appropriate edit box.
This is more difficult to do in Windows using a Windows-based Screen
Reader.

Just my two centes (U.S.) worth!

Amanda Lee

RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Georgina]

Hi

I'm finding this thread very interesting.  I have to admit, I find
navigating the www easier under the Windows platform.  I've got a project
about to be launched that involves Speakup and such issues are very
relevant.  As html offers a number of techniques to answer multiple choice
questions I'd appreciate constructive feedback.  Currently, there's a
question that is similar to the following "Where do you use Linux?" there
are about 6 choices offered, each of which have a check box.  I've used a
simple <INPUT CHECKBOX> tag for these questions and wondered if this was the
best way in dealing with such multiple choice questions?

Gena

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Amanda Lee
Sent: 29 November 2001 19:59
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


One aspect I like about lynx is taht one can bash through frames more
easily than in netscum and WindBlows Exploder!


Amanda Lee



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Definitely. This is where Linux falls behind. Lynx is an outfashioned web
> browser, although still quite usable. I am eagerly waiting for GNOME 2.0
to
> come out, because it will contain accessibility hooks that will allow
> writing screen readers and magnifiers easier.
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:46 PM
> Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
>
>
> > Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness
> where
> > I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much easier
> > than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with
the
> > spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is no
> > text based browser for linux that supports java script.
> >
> > I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support but
I
> > still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> >
> >
> > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > handle forms.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Victor Tsaran]

Amanda, I think this is wrong. In fact, frames are much easier to view and
navigate with either JFW or Window-eyes.
Best,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


> One aspect I like about lynx is taht one can bash through frames more
> easily than in netscum and WindBlows Exploder!
>
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > Definitely. This is where Linux falls behind. Lynx is an outfashioned
web
> > browser, although still quite usable. I am eagerly waiting for GNOME 2.0
to
> > come out, because it will contain accessibility hooks that will allow
> > writing screen readers and magnifiers easier.
> > Vic
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> >
> >
> > > Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness
> > where
> > > I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much
easier
> > > than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with
the
> > > spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is
no
> > > text based browser for linux that supports java script.
> > >
> > > I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support
but I
> > > still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > > handle forms.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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RE: web browsers that handle forms for Linux?

[Georgina]

Hi

Thanks for your comments.  Being blind I know the difficulties and was
asking about user preferences rather than those stated in guidelines.  I'm
currently looking up how to produce the "x" symbol in the checkbox.  Thanks
for that one.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Amanda Lee
Sent: 29 November 2001 21:22
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


I would like to suggest that you look at the Web Accessability Initiative
guidelines by going to:

http://www.w3c.org

Click on the link for "wai"

>From a pure useability perspective, I'd say that using check boxes or a
pulldown are each okay.  However, please clearly indicate to the user what
is expected such as please check or please select your desired answer.

I also believe that check boxes which allow an "x" to appear when checked
are easier to discern in lynx or other text-oriented browser.

If you allow a user to manually type in their answers, then please be
certain that those edit boxes are clearly labeled/tagged
 such that a Screen Reader can speak what these edit boxes are when the
user comes to sed edit box.

Many times, I have to literally go into Screen Review in a DOS Screen
Reader to verify that I entered information into the appropriate edit box.
This is more difficult to do in Windows using a Windows-based Screen
Reader.

Just my two centes (U.S.) worth!

Amanda Lee



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RE: web browsers that handle forms for Linux?

[Amanda Lee]

I just find that the Checkmark symbol or "x" seems to show-up via a Screen
Reader better than the Asterisk "*" which is often used.

This is only my opinion.  Others may have a different preference.  My
reasoining is that many of us turn off symbols and the Asterisk isn't
always heard when this is the case.

Amanda Lee



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
>
> Thanks for your comments.  Being blind I know the difficulties and was
> asking about user preferences rather than those stated in guidelines.  I'm
> currently looking up how to produce the "x" symbol in the checkbox.  Thanks
> for that one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Amanda Lee
> Sent: 29 November 2001 21:22
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
>
>
> I would like to suggest that you look at the Web Accessability Initiative
> guidelines by going to:
>
> http://www.w3c.org
>
> Click on the link for "wai"
>
> >From a pure useability perspective, I'd say that using check boxes or a
> pulldown are each okay.  However, please clearly indicate to the user what
> is expected such as please check or please select your desired answer.
>
> I also believe that check boxes which allow an "x" to appear when checked
> are easier to discern in lynx or other text-oriented browser.
>
> If you allow a user to manually type in their answers, then please be
> certain that those edit boxes are clearly labeled/tagged
>  such that a Screen Reader can speak what these edit boxes are when the
> user comes to sed edit box.
>
> Many times, I have to literally go into Screen Review in a DOS Screen
> Reader to verify that I entered information into the appropriate edit box.
> This is more difficult to do in Windows using a Windows-based Screen
> Reader.
>
> Just my two centes (U.S.) worth!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Dave Hunt]

Unless more than answer is allowed, I'd make each queatio's choices a 
radio button group.  That way, back on the server side, you need only 
check the "value" of each group, to score the test.  

-Dave



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, 
Georgina wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm finding this thread very interesting.  I have to admit, I find
> navigating the www easier under the Windows platform.  I've got a project
> about to be launched that involves Speakup and such issues are very
> relevant.  As html offers a number of techniques to answer multiple choice
> questions I'd appreciate constructive feedback.  Currently, there's a
> question that is similar to the following "Where do you use Linux?" there
> are about 6 choices offered, each of which have a check box.  I've used a
> simple <INPUT CHECKBOX> tag for these questions and wondered if this was the
> best way in dealing with such multiple choice questions?
> 
> Gena
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Amanda Lee
> Sent: 29 November 2001 19:59
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> 
> 
> One aspect I like about lynx is taht one can bash through frames more
> easily than in netscum and WindBlows Exploder!
> 
> 
> Amanda Lee
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> 
> > Definitely. This is where Linux falls behind. Lynx is an outfashioned web
> > browser, although still quite usable. I am eagerly waiting for GNOME 2.0
> to
> > come out, because it will contain accessibility hooks that will allow
> > writing screen readers and magnifiers easier.
> > Vic
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> >
> >
> > > Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness
> > where
> > > I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much easier
> > > than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with
> the
> > > spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is no
> > > text based browser for linux that supports java script.
> > >
> > > I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support but
> I
> > > still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > > handle forms.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: web browsers that handle forms for Linux?

[William Hubbs]

Hi Gina,

The problem I see with using check boxes is that it would be possible for
the user to select more than one choice.  I would suggest that you use an
option list or radio buttons so that the user can only select one option.

William

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:57:01PM -0000, Georgina wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Thanks for your comments.  Being blind I know the difficulties and was
> asking about user preferences rather than those stated in guidelines.  I'm
> currently looking up how to produce the "x" symbol in the checkbox.  Thanks
> for that one.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Amanda Lee
> Sent: 29 November 2001 21:22
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> 
> 
> I would like to suggest that you look at the Web Accessability Initiative
> guidelines by going to:
> 
> http://www.w3c.org
> 
> Click on the link for "wai"
> 
> >From a pure useability perspective, I'd say that using check boxes or a
> pulldown are each okay.  However, please clearly indicate to the user what
> is expected such as please check or please select your desired answer.
> 
> I also believe that check boxes which allow an "x" to appear when checked
> are easier to discern in lynx or other text-oriented browser.
> 
> If you allow a user to manually type in their answers, then please be
> certain that those edit boxes are clearly labeled/tagged
>  such that a Screen Reader can speak what these edit boxes are when the
> user comes to sed edit box.
> 
> Many times, I have to literally go into Screen Review in a DOS Screen
> Reader to verify that I entered information into the appropriate edit box.
> This is more difficult to do in Windows using a Windows-based Screen
> Reader.
> 
> Just my two centes (U.S.) worth!
> 
> Amanda Lee
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Amanda Lee]

You are entitled to your opinion.  However have known many jfw and
Window-Eyes users who complain about frames.  Not saying you can't use
them/never said that.  In lynx, all I do is link past them and it is very
easy.



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Amanda, I think this is wrong. In fact, frames are much easier to view and
> navigate with either JFW or Window-eyes.
> Best,
> Victor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
>
>
> > One aspect I like about lynx is taht one can bash through frames more
> > easily than in netscum and WindBlows Exploder!
> >
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> > > Definitely. This is where Linux falls behind. Lynx is an outfashioned
> web
> > > browser, although still quite usable. I am eagerly waiting for GNOME 2.0
> to
> > > come out, because it will contain accessibility hooks that will allow
> > > writing screen readers and magnifiers easier.
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:46 PM
> > > Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Lynx does after a fashion. Personally however, I still have a weakness
> > > where
> > > > I feel that IE with MSAA and Window-eyes makes filling forms much
> easier
> > > > than I've been able to do with Lynx. This is especially the case with
> the
> > > > spreading use of java scripts in websites. As far as I know, there is
> no
> > > > text based browser for linux that supports java script.
> > > >
> > > > I have done some simple form filling with lynx even with SSL support
> but I
> > > > still have to use Internet Exploder to pay my bills online.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:43 AM
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > > > handle forms.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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RE: web browsers that handle forms for Linux?

[Dave Hunt]

Wel, then, checkboxes or multi-select list boxes are appropriate.

-Dave


On Sat, 1 
Dec 2001, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Well yes but the questions do require multiple choice answers where they
> apply.  Such as:  Where do you use Linux?  With the following options of
> "Home", "Work", "School", "College / University" "Other".  Under this
> condition it is possible for people to use Linux at work as well as at home.

RE: web browsers that handle forms for Linux?

[Georgina]

Hi

Well yes but the questions do require multiple choice answers where they
apply.  Such as:  Where do you use Linux?  With the following options of
"Home", "Work", "School", "College / University" "Other".  Under this
condition it is possible for people to use Linux at work as well as at home.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of William Hubbs
Sent: 30 November 2001 13:58
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: web browsers that handle forms for Linux?


Hi Gina,

The problem I see with using check boxes is that it would be possible for
the user to select more than one choice.  I would suggest that you use an
option list or radio buttons so that the user can only select one option.

William

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:57:01PM -0000, Georgina wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks for your comments.  Being blind I know the difficulties and was
> asking about user preferences rather than those stated in guidelines.  I'm
> currently looking up how to produce the "x" symbol in the checkbox.
Thanks
> for that one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Amanda Lee
> Sent: 29 November 2001 21:22
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?
>
>
> I would like to suggest that you look at the Web Accessability Initiative
> guidelines by going to:
>
> http://www.w3c.org
>
> Click on the link for "wai"
>
> >From a pure useability perspective, I'd say that using check boxes or a
> pulldown are each okay.  However, please clearly indicate to the user what
> is expected such as please check or please select your desired answer.
>
> I also believe that check boxes which allow an "x" to appear when checked
> are easier to discern in lynx or other text-oriented browser.
>
> If you allow a user to manually type in their answers, then please be
> certain that those edit boxes are clearly labeled/tagged
>  such that a Screen Reader can speak what these edit boxes are when the
> user comes to sed edit box.
>
> Many times, I have to literally go into Screen Review in a DOS Screen
> Reader to verify that I entered information into the appropriate edit box.
> This is more difficult to do in Windows using a Windows-based Screen
> Reader.
>
> Just my two centes (U.S.) worth!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Dave Hunt]

Remember that, once a submenu is expanded, you can use the lynx 'search' 
feature to help you find your choice.  I find this helps when one of 
these submenus is large.

--Dave



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> When you come across a check box to toggle it from on to off or off to
> on press the right arrow.  When you come across a combo pulldown box
> press enter to enter a submenu then use your up/down arrows to make your
> selection.  If your links are numbered you will see something like
> choosing a state like this:
> 
> [5][1]choose state
> 
> when you press enter on the 5th link in this case you enter the submenu
> where choice 1 is to choose a state.  If you hit down arrow once you
> will see something like:
> [5][2]arizona
> 
> and so on and so forth.  To make your selection final just press enter
> to leave the choice you picked and go back to the top level menu and now
> you will be where you were before pressing enter on the link number [5]
> to choose a state but this time it will show you the choice you picked:
> [5][2]arizona
> 
> hth
> 

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Dave Hunt]

An unselected checkbox appears as an empty set of brackets.  To select, 
hit right arrow.  An 'x' will appear, indicated you've checked the thing.  
If the box is already checked, a right arrow will uncheck.  If you're 
using Speakup, you may have to look around the item with the reading 
cursor, to see the associated text label.

List boxes are similar in appearance to a text field, with the default 
value and a number of underlines.  IF you hit 'enter' on one of these, 
you'll be prompted that it is a choice list.  Down-arrow through the 
options, and hit 'enter' on the one you want to select.  Use 'tab' to move 
off the field.  Radio buttons appear as a set of parentheses (empty if the 
button is unselected, containing a '*' if selected).  

-Dave

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Dave Hunt]

Yes, I can fill forms with Lynx.  To shop or do my banking, I need to use 
MSIE and JAWS, since those forms are so JScript-laden.  Does Links( l  i  
n  k  s) handle JavaScript?  What about the latest emacs w3?  When last I 
used it, it could not.

-Dave

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Dave Hunt]

Not sure what you mean by "Handle Forms".  Lynx will do it.  I've lynx 
2.8.  JavaScript is a problem, but that's expected.  

If you're interested in the Emacspeak route, there's W3.  It, too, handles 
forms, frames, tables, etc.  Finally, may I suggest a look at a thing 
called Edbrowse.  Not sure how it does with frame sets, but it handles 
forms.

-Dave

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Amanda Lee]

for "check boxes" use the <enter> key.  Do same with the "Pull Down" boxes
and you use the Up and Down Arrows to move down the list in the Pull Down
Box.  Once you have selected the item you want, press <enter> and it is
set.

Amanda Lee



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> any hints then on how to do this? I know I can fill in the text fields
> just fine, but when it comes to checkboxes, and the little pulldown box
> type things is where I seem to have trouble.
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>
> > I can fill out forms just fine with lynx.
> >
> > Deedra Waters said the following on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:42:51AM -0500:
> > > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > > handle forms.
> > >
> > >
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> > --
> > Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
> > The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
> > the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
> > You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
> > and it's not me.
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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Amanda Lee]

Yes you can, but as Steve said, lynx nor links can do java and more web
content than ever which involves forms as well as selecting certain
categories are relying upon java.  I tried to go to register online for a
mailorder prescription service that my employer uses.  Insult to injury!
the lousy "next" button is coded in javascript and it said unknown url
type or content or something similar to this.  Why would any  fool! want
to code a "next" button in javascript?  I haven't a clue!

Amanda Lee




On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> I can fill out forms just fine with lynx.
>
> Deedra Waters said the following on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:42:51AM -0500:
> > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > handle forms.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
> The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
> the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
> You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
> and it's not me.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Patricia Logan]

     Hi!  My name is Pat Logan.  Someone installed linux for me
just about a week ago and I just joined this list two days
ago.  Not surprisingly, much of what you write about is totally
incomprehensible to me.  But I wanted to add my frustration at my
total inability to use radio buttons which prevents me from using
either CDnow or CDconnection to look up and order music.  If one
presses enter on the exact correct spot it really turns them
on?  Can you suggest what I might have to change in my lynx
configuration?  I have numbers on.  Thanks.

     Pat Logan

RE: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Holmes, Steve]

Another good reminder is the status line or bottom line of the display. It
will always feature a brief instruction on how to handle that particular
form field.

-----Original Message-----
From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:raul@asmodean.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:39 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


When you come across a check box to toggle it from on to off or off to
on press the right arrow.  When you come across a combo pulldown box
press enter to enter a submenu then use your up/down arrows to make your
selection.  If your links are numbered you will see something like
choosing a state like this:

[5][1]choose state

when you press enter on the 5th link in this case you enter the submenu
where choice 1 is to choose a state.  If you hit down arrow once you
will see something like:
[5][2]arizona

and so on and so forth.  To make your selection final just press enter
to leave the choice you picked and go back to the top level menu and now
you will be where you were before pressing enter on the link number [5]
to choose a state but this time it will show you the choice you picked:
[5][2]arizona

hth
-- 
Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
and it's not me.

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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

When you come across a check box to toggle it from on to off or off to
on press the right arrow.  When you come across a combo pulldown box
press enter to enter a submenu then use your up/down arrows to make your
selection.  If your links are numbered you will see something like
choosing a state like this:

[5][1]choose state

when you press enter on the 5th link in this case you enter the submenu
where choice 1 is to choose a state.  If you hit down arrow once you
will see something like:
[5][2]arizona

and so on and so forth.  To make your selection final just press enter
to leave the choice you picked and go back to the top level menu and now
you will be where you were before pressing enter on the link number [5]
to choose a state but this time it will show you the choice you picked:
[5][2]arizona

hth
-- 
Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
and it's not me.

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Tommy Moore]

Hmm, the only thing that seems ot be a problem with me is the radio 
buttons not check boxes, but what I do is just use the read keys and look 
to see which button I'm checking. Can take some time to do this sometimes 
but it does work.

Tommy


On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> any hints then on how to do this? I know I can fill in the text fields
> just fine, but when it comes to checkboxes, and the little pulldown box
> type things is where I seem to have trouble.
> 
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> 
> > I can fill out forms just fine with lynx.
> > 
> > Deedra Waters said the following on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:42:51AM -0500:
> > > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > > handle forms.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
> > The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
> > the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
> > You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
> > and it's not me.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Tommy Moore]

lynx doesn't do too bad. That's l y n x.
Would help to turn on numbering of the links and form fields to hlep you 
tell where links are on the pages.

Tommy


On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> handle forms.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Deedra Waters]

any hints then on how to do this? I know I can fill in the text fields
just fine, but when it comes to checkboxes, and the little pulldown box
type things is where I seem to have trouble.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> I can fill out forms just fine with lynx.
> 
> Deedra Waters said the following on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:42:51AM -0500:
> > I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> > handle forms.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
> The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
> the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
> You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
> and it's not me.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

I can fill out forms just fine with lynx.

Deedra Waters said the following on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:42:51AM -0500:
> I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> handle forms.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net
The lunatic is in my head.  The lunatic is in my head.  You raise
the blade.  you make the change.  You rearrange me till I'm sane.
You lock the door and throw away the key.  There's someone in my head
and it's not me.

Re: web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Victor Tsaran]

Lynx handles forms and Emacs/W3 likewise does.
Victor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deedra Waters" <dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:42 PM
Subject: web brousers that handle forms for linux?


> I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
> handle forms.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

web brousers that handle forms for linux?

[Deedra Waters]

I'm curious as to wether there is a webbrouser for linux that can also
handle forms.