msn on linux

msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,

What package should I get to use msn on linux?
I just have a cli.
I want to use speakup and brltty with it.

I tried tmsnc, but most things aren't accessible.

Thanks for any help,


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Re: msn on linux

[Tony Baechler]

Daniel Dalton wrote:
> What package should I get to use msn on linux?
> I just have a cli.
> I want to use speakup and brltty with it.


apt-cache search msn

Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Daniel Dalton wrote:
>> What package should I get to use msn on linux?
>> I just have a cli.
>> I want to use speakup and brltty with it.
>
>
> apt-cache search msn

Well I know, but that doesn't really help a lot when I was asking about an 
accessible version.
Ok I'll try again then...

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Re: msn on linux

[Geoff Shang]

Hi,

I use Pebrot from http://pebrot.sourceforge.net

Geoff.

Re[2]: msn on linux

[Christian]

Hi,
And I use Centericq.
Christian


On 2008-03-11 at 01:20 Geoff Shang wrote:

>Hi,
>
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>
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Re: Re[2]: msn on linux

[Josh]

hey,
is there a list of keyboard commands for gnome and ubuntu linux with orca? 

Josh

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
skype: jkenn337
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Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Re[2]: msn on linux


> Hi,
> And I use Centericq.
> Christian
> 
> 
> On 2008-03-11 at 01:20 Geoff Shang wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>I use Pebrot from http://pebrot.sourceforge.net
>>
>>Geoff.
>>
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Josh - was: Re: msn on linux

[Tony Baechler]

Josh wrote:
> hey,
> is there a list of keyboard commands for gnome and ubuntu linux with 
> orca?
> Josh



I'm sorry, but I don't understand.  Your message has what exactly to do 
with the subject line?  You could at least bother to change the subject 
first for people trying to follow the original thread.  I could point 
you to the Orca keyboard commands, but instead I'll make you look on 
your own since you couldn't bother to use a meaningful subject line.  
I'm sure others will tell you where to look anyway.  Please take a few 
seconds to change the subject next time.

keyboard commands for orca and gnome in ubuntu

[Josh]

Hi,

Is there a list of keyboard commands for orca and gnome? the ones that come 
with the latest ubuntu?

Josh

Re: keyboard commands for orca and gnome in ubuntu

[Herzog]

speech at turn on and Orca navigation have been recurrent questions. 

ok, I haven't seen anyone answering these two questions so here is an 
attempt.
Wil Herzog
Josh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a list of keyboard commands for orca and gnome? the ones that 
> come with the latest ubuntu?
>
> Josh
>
> _______________________________________________
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here is a keystroke by keystroke of me turning on my Ubuntu machine now:
1. press the inspiron 1420 main button, top middle of keyboard.
Eventually it starts and It all comes up and says "welcome to orca". 
This magic all came about by my updating to Ubuntu 7.10, and the various 
Dell updates.
tab's toggle between "orca screen reader preferences and quit. i entered 
on preferences.
 Then 5 right arrows read tabs/tags that get to key bindings. This is 
the cheat-sheet that has some of the info one needs to navigate.
pressing the down arrow marches through all the keys and definitions..


2.  I am sighted, so achieve this I  must cheat and point my arrow to 
"system" and press a left click.
I have not learned how to get there any other way.
 but then  a down arrow gets to "preferences", and a right arrow moves 
to "Universal access" and a second right arrow gets to "
"Assistive Technology Preferences.
4 down arrows get stuff that reads, but the "acessible login"  is the 
magic one that gets to an automatic login.

Then an enter brings up an "assistive technology preferences box"

end

Re: keyboard commands for orca and gnome in ubuntu

[Jude DaShiell]

You can use the tab key to move off applications onto places and hit tab 
once more and you land on system.



On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Herzog wrote:

> speech at turn on and Orca navigation have been recurrent questions. 
> ok, I haven't seen anyone answering these two questions so here is an 
> attempt.
> Wil Herzog
> Josh wrote:
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  Is there a list of keyboard commands for orca and gnome? the ones that
>>  come with the latest ubuntu?
>>
>>  Josh
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Blinux-list mailing list
>
> here is a keystroke by keystroke of me turning on my Ubuntu machine now:
> 1. press the inspiron 1420 main button, top middle of keyboard.
> Eventually it starts and It all comes up and says "welcome to orca". This 
> magic all came about by my updating to Ubuntu 7.10, and the various Dell 
> updates.
> tab's toggle between "orca screen reader preferences and quit. i entered on 
> preferences.
> Then 5 right arrows read tabs/tags that get to key bindings. This is the 
> cheat-sheet that has some of the info one needs to navigate.
> pressing the down arrow marches through all the keys and definitions..
>
>
> 2.  I am sighted, so achieve this I  must cheat and point my arrow to 
> "system" and press a left click.
> I have not learned how to get there any other way.
> but then  a down arrow gets to "preferences", and a right arrow moves to 
> "Universal access" and a second right arrow gets to "
> "Assistive Technology Preferences.
> 4 down arrows get stuff that reads, but the "acessible login"  is the magic 
> one that gets to an automatic login.
>
> Then an enter brings up an "assistive technology preferences box"
>
> end
>
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logging into live cd

[Josh]

Hi,

When I first boot up the live cd, how do I log in, if I have no username and 
assword?

Josh

Re: logging into live cd

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Josh wrote:

> When I first boot up the live cd, how do I log in, if I have no username and 
> assword?

What livecd?
It shouldn't ask you for a password or username.
It should just fire up.

If it does, try blank for the password and ubuntu for the user name.
If its the ubuntu livecd...

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Re: logging into live cd

[Jude DaShiell]

try hitting enter on both login and password and see what happens.  On 
Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Josh wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When I first boot up the live cd, how do I log in, if I have no username and 
> assword?
>
> Josh
>
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Re: keyboard commands for orca and gnome in ubuntu

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, and you read them from the key bindings tab inside of orca 
preferences.



On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Josh wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a list of keyboard commands for orca and gnome? the ones that come 
> with the latest ubuntu?
>
> Josh
>
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grml

[Josh]

Hi,

Anyone on this list use grml? 

Josh

Re: grml

[Tony Baechler]

Josh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyone on this list use grml?



Hi,

Yes.  I installed it to my hard disk in its own partition.  I'm 
reasonably happy with it, but I'm still having problems with X.  If you 
run grml2hd to install, do "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade 
grml2hd" first.  You might want sighted help for the install because 
Speakup doesn't always tell you what the default choice is, even with 
cursor tracking.  I kep hearing "OK" even though there was a big list of 
language choices on the screen.  When I got to the language selection, 
US English was the default but the cursor was on Austrian.  I had 
someone reading the screen so he told me that English was the default, 
saving me the time of arrowing down through a bunch of choices only to 
find that was the default to begin with.  Especially be careful if 
installing to hard disk as it will overwrite whatever partition you 
select and again it doesn't always read correctly.  I ran parted first 
to resize and set up my partitions for the install but I don't know if 
that's necessary or not.  You'll also have to pick a boot loader, either 
lilo or grub.  Read the man pages to decide which is best.  Also, you 
asked about text games a while ago.  It doesn't have any interactive 
fiction interpreters that I found, but look at the bsdgames package.  
That's probably what you want.  Do "aptitude show bsdgames" and 
"aptitude show nethack."  Nethack is another very popular text game but 
takes some getting used to in terms of navigating.

Re: grml

[Jude DaShiell]

If speakup had a command that would search a list for an item with unique 
attributes you would almost certainly have had the cursor on English 
rather than Austrian.On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Josh wrote:
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  Anyone on this list use grml?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes.  I installed it to my hard disk in its own partition.  I'm reasonably 
> happy with it, but I'm still having problems with X.  If you run grml2hd to 
> install, do "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade grml2hd" first.  You 
> might want sighted help for the install because Speakup doesn't always tell 
> you what the default choice is, even with cursor tracking.  I kep hearing 
> "OK" even though there was a big list of language choices on the screen. 
> When I got to the language selection, US English was the default but the 
> cursor was on Austrian.  I had someone reading the screen so he told me that 
> English was the default, saving me the time of arrowing down through a bunch 
> of choices only to find that was the default to begin with.  Especially be 
> careful if installing to hard disk as it will overwrite whatever partition 
> you select and again it doesn't always read correctly.  I ran parted first to 
> resize and set up my partitions for the install but I don't know if that's 
> necessary or not.  You'll also have to pick a boot loader, either lilo or 
> grub.  Read the man pages to decide which is best.  Also, you asked about 
> text games a while ago.  It doesn't have any interactive fiction interpreters 
> that I found, but look at the bsdgames package.  That's probably what you 
> want.  Do "aptitude show bsdgames" and "aptitude show nethack."  Nethack is 
> another very popular text game but takes some getting used to in terms of 
> navigating.
>
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>

Re: Re[2]: msn on linux

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes there is and it's inside the orca set up under the keyboard tab.



On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Josh wrote:

> hey,
> is there a list of keyboard commands for gnome and ubuntu linux with orca? 
> Josh
>
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian" <christian08@runbox.com>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re[2]: msn on linux
>
>
>>  Hi,
>>  And I use Centericq.
>>  Christian
>>
>>
>>  On 2008-03-11 at 01:20 Geoff Shang wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > I use Pebrot from http://pebrot.sourceforge.net
>> > 
>> > Geoff.
>> > 
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>>
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Re[2]: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Christian wrote:

> Hi,
> And I use Centericq.

Is it command line?

And where can I obtain a copy from?

Also does it have a man page or any documentation?

Thanks,

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Re: Re[2]: msn on linux

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hello!

There is a readme file that describes how to set up pebrot.

I haven't checked it a lot since when I installed it I don't know where 
pebrot put the configuration files.
I'll check into this again once I'm rid of my fever.

/Kristoffer
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:22 AM
Subject: Re[2]: msn on linux


> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Christian wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> And I use Centericq.
>
> Is it command line?
>
> And where can I obtain a copy from?
>
> Also does it have a man page or any documentation?
>
> Thanks,
>
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>
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Re[2]: msn on linux

[Geoff Shang]

Hi,


I've not used Centericq in awhile but I used to.  Centericq is a text-omde 
application but it is cursor-based rather than being command-based.

You can get it at http://konst.org.ua/centericq/ and there is a Debian 
package.

It looks like Centericq hasn't been updated in awhile, but neither has 
Pebrot I guess.

Geoff.

Re: msn on linux

[Sébastien Hinderer]

Hi,

bitlbee + favorite IRC client works fine.

Sébastien.

Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I use Pebrot from http://pebrot.sourceforge.net

Hi Geoff,

Do you know of any documentation?
Or once I have logged in how can I do the following?
-See my contact list
-Start chatting with someone
-Read other people's messages
-Send files and stuff like that.
-Block, add and delete contacts?

If you could help me out with some of these it would be greatly 
appreciated.
Thanks,

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Re: msn on linux

[Geoff Shang]

Hi,

When you first run Pebrot it makes a .pebrot directory with a file called 
pebrotrc.  This has quite a few options and is well commented.

As for using the program, when you're in pebrot you can type

/?

and it will list commands.  However, and it took ages for me to discover 
this, a lot of it scrolls off the screen and it isn't spoken, so there are 
a lot more commands than you think there are.  so you have to press page-up 
a few times to see the whole list, and then you have to page back down 
again to see new events etc.

Geoff.

Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi Geoff,

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When you first run Pebrot it makes a .pebrot directory with a file called 
> pebrotrc.  This has quite a few options and is well commented.

It is. I saw that in the readme, and I had a look at the file when I was 
setting up my log in.
I also changed a few settings there.
So it is pretty good.

>
> As for using the program, when you're in pebrot you can type
>
> /?
>
> and it will list commands.  However, and it took ages for me to discover 
> this, a lot of it scrolls off the screen and it isn't spoken, so there are a 
> lot more commands than you think there are.  so you have to press page-up a 
> few times to see the whole list, and then you have to page back down again to 
> see new events etc.

Ok. Thanks. I saw that.

So if 3 people message me I can press tab to tab between the messages?
And finally how do I except a users address when they add me?
I know how to add them, but not sure what to do when they add me to say 
yes I am happy to have you on my list.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

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d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: msn on linux

[Tony Baechler]

Daniel Dalton wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:
>
>> Daniel Dalton wrote:
>>> What package should I get to use msn on linux?
>>> I just have a cli.
>>> I want to use speakup and brltty with it.
>>
>>
>> apt-cache search msn
>
> Well I know, but that doesn't really help a lot when I was asking 
> about an accessible version.



Why is that not helpful?  I saw several text mode clients in my search.  
Try gaim and several others.  You have to be willing to at least try to 
look into things on your own.  When I was searching for an AIM client, 
did you see me post here?  No, I looked myself and found two, naim and 
pork.  I didn't like either one, but at least I bothered to look.  As I 
said, I saw several text mode MSN clients in my very brief search and I 
didn't even look at everything.  With that said, I don't use MSN but 
gaim has been recommended.

Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:

>>> apt-cache search msn
>> 
>> Well I know, but that doesn't really help a lot when I was asking about an 
>> accessible version.
>
>
>
> Why is that not helpful?  I saw several text mode clients in my search.  Try

Hey I know how to search through my distro's repo!

Well I tried tmsnc with not a lot of luck.

So I actually looked before I asked, but didn't find a lot.

> gaim and several others.  You have to be willing to at least try to look into

I'll try that one.

> things on your own.  When I was searching for an AIM client, did you see me 
> post here?  No, I looked myself and found two, naim and pork.  I didn't like

Well I needed a lot of things and found them.
So its not really a big deal.

Did you see me post about a torrent program?
For example?

And are you saying questions like; "Does anyone know of a good whatever 
for linux?"
Replacing whatever with what you want is not ok?

> either one, but at least I 
bothered to look.  As I said, I saw several text 
> mode MSN clients in my very brief search and I didn't even look at

So your now saying I didn't bother?
Didn't I say I had a look at tmsnc in my original post?
Or did I leave that out?

> everything.  With that said, I don't use MSN but gaim has been recommended.

Recommended by who?

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Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Daniel Dalton wrote:

>
>> gaim and several others.  You have to be willing to at least try to look

Well isn't that graphical?
And didn't I ask for something for the cli?

So your having ago at me and you are recommending stuff I found that I am 
not after?

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Re: msn on linux

[Tony Baechler]

Daniel Dalton wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Daniel Dalton wrote:
>
>>
>>> gaim and several others.  You have to be willing to at least try to 
>>> look
>
> Well isn't that graphical?

Yes.

> And didn't I ask for something for the cli?
>
Yes.

> So your having ago at me and you are recommending stuff I found that I 
> am not after?


Yes, sorry.  I told you I don't use MSN.  It had been recommended by 
several people on various lists and I thought it was text.  Fortunately, 
"aptitude show gaim" quickly and easily resolves the question of being 
graphical or not.  Again, that's why you should do your own searching.

Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:

>
>
> Yes, sorry.  I told you I don't use MSN.  It had been recommended by several 
> people on various lists and I thought it was text.  Fortunately, "aptitude 
> show gaim" quickly and easily resolves the question of being graphical or 
> not.  Again, that's why you should do your own searching.

Yes ok. I will. But if you are recommending something to someone you 
should usually do a quick check to see that is sort of what their after.
Like if they said text-based you could just double check it is text based.

I might be wrong, but sorry again if my message sounded slightly angry or 
annoyed.
I wasn't annoyed just a bit disapointed that you have all these ideas 
which I will follow next time. (thanks) but you ended up recommending 
something completely oposite to what I wanted.

Thanks anyway and I'll use this pebroc program and if that doesn't work 
then I'll try something else from the repo as you suggested several times.

Thanks,

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Re: msn on linux

[Tony Baechler]

Daniel Dalton wrote:
> And are you saying questions like; "Does anyone know of a good 
> whatever for linux?"
> Replacing whatever with what you want is not ok?
>
No, but the great thing about free software is that you can try every 
different program out there just with "aptitude install whatever." I 
often install two or three similar programs until I determine what I 
like and what works for me. If program 1 doesn't work, I go to program 
2, etc. If I tried every possible option and have yet to find anything I 
like, I ask here. Just trying one program is a start but not enough. If 
you have a good reason why you can't grab a bunch of programs, like low 
bandwidth or disk space, or if you're really new to Linux and don't know 
how to use your package management system, that's of course different 
but I didn't see any of those things in your original post.

>> either one, but at least I 
> bothered to look. As I said, I saw several text
>> mode MSN clients in my very brief search and I didn't even look at
>
> So your now saying I didn't bother?



No, I'm saying that it's a good start but it didn't go far enough. OK, 
"aptitude purge x" and "aptitude install y" would have been better in 
terms of looking.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that if a distro 
supplies thousands of packages and a good and easy way to search through 
them, people should try all possible options until they find what they 
like before giving up. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with asking 
for help, and of course accessibility is a concern, I'm just saying that 
looking at one thing and giving up is hardly bothering. Maybe I'm wrong 
and am being too judgmental. I'm sure others will chime in if they 
disagree with me. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry and I'll either shut up or try 
to be more helpful in the future. Obviously Daniel thinks that I'm not 
being fair from his post and maybe he's right.

Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Daniel Dalton wrote:
>> And are you saying questions like; "Does anyone know of a good whatever for 
>> linux?"
>> Replacing whatever with what you want is not ok?
>> 
> No, but the great thing about free software is that you can try every 
> different program out there just with "aptitude install whatever." I often 
> install two or three similar programs until I determine what I like and what 
> works for me. If program 1 doesn't work, I go to program 2, etc. If I tried 
> every possible option and have yet to find anything I like, I ask here. Just 
> trying one program is a start but not enough. If you have a good reason why

Hi,

Sorry if I sounded agressive. I was trying to say that I had tried tmsnc, 
however, the rest looked like graphical apps to me and libraries.

But yes I should probably look a little harder next time or search for 
stuff on google to if apt doesn't give me what I want.

And your right it can't hurt to try lots of different software.

So sorry about that.
But I didn't find a message with the line
apt-cache search msn
terribly useful since I had stated in my post I did a search through apt 
so I 
obviously have some idea with apt searches.

So sorry if my message was a bit abrupt, I didn't intend for that at all.

> system, that's of course different but I didn't see any of those things in 
> your original post.

Yes, ok.

>
>>> either one, but at least I 
>> bothered to look. As I said, I saw several text
>>> mode MSN clients in my very brief search and I didn't even look at
>> 
>> So your now saying I didn't bother?
>
>
>
> No, I'm saying that it's a good start but it didn't go far enough. OK, 
> "aptitude purge x" and "aptitude install y" would have been better in terms 
> of looking.

Of course. But a lot looked like graphical apps to me like gaim for 
example.

>
> I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that if a distro 
> supplies thousands of packages and a good and easy way to search through 
> them, people should try all possible options until they find what they like 
> before giving up. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with asking for help,

Sure.

> and of course accessibility is a concern, I'm just saying that looking at one 
> thing and giving up is hardly bothering. Maybe I'm wrong and am being too

Yes your right I should try more and I probably didn't look terribly hard, 
but as I said libraries and stuff that I saw wasn't exactly what I wanted.
I am now using pebroc and that is working nicely for me.
(Its not in the repo.)

> judgmental. I'm sure others will chime in if they disagree with me. If I'm

Your not. And your correct.
And yes I will look harder next time.

> wrong, I'm sorry and I'll either shut up or try to be more helpful in the

No, most of your replies have been very helpful. I was just a bit 
disapointed with a message containing
"apt-cache search msn" when I had already done this.
But yes please continue to help, and I'm sorry if I sounded abrupt and for 
asking instead of looking!

> future. Obviously Daniel thinks that I'm not being fair from his post and 
> maybe he's right.

Well I wouldn't say that exactly, but as I said the first message wasn't 
that helpful and I think it should be ok to ask about good applications 
with speakup on this list.
But your right in saying that you might as well test lots of different 
software.
And I will do this nextime.
So sorry about not looking and next time I will look for longer.

And your posts are always helpful even though I may not think so sometimes 
so please continue to help, because 99% of the time you answer the 
question or give the answer the person was looking for.
And I guess 1% of the time with anyone sometimes there message isn't as 
helpful as the other 99% but that rarely happens.
So thanks for the help and thanks for all the suggestions.
And please keep helping because as I said your help is really good And I 
really appreciate it.

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Re: msn on linux

[Jude DaShiell]

Actually you can filter out libraries though you'll need to use grep in 
combination with apt-cache and less to do that. apt-cache search msn | 
grep -v "lib" | less <cr> may shorten the list some, and you could even 
add another instance of grep in there with grep -v "graphical" to perhaps 
really optimize the list.


On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Daniel Dalton wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:
>
>>  Daniel Dalton wrote:
>> >  And are you saying questions like; "Does anyone know of a good whatever 
>> >  for linux?"
>> >  Replacing whatever with what you want is not ok?
>> >
>>  No, but the great thing about free software is that you can try every
>>  different program out there just with "aptitude install whatever." I often
>>  install two or three similar programs until I determine what I like and
>>  what works for me. If program 1 doesn't work, I go to program 2, etc. If I
>>  tried every possible option and have yet to find anything I like, I ask
>>  here. Just trying one program is a start but not enough. If you have a
>>  good reason why
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry if I sounded agressive. I was trying to say that I had tried tmsnc, 
> however, the rest looked like graphical apps to me and libraries.
>
> But yes I should probably look a little harder next time or search for stuff 
> on google to if apt doesn't give me what I want.
>
> And your right it can't hurt to try lots of different software.
>
> So sorry about that.
> But I didn't find a message with the line
> apt-cache search msn
> terribly useful since I had stated in my post I did a search through apt so I 
> obviously have some idea with apt searches.
>
> So sorry if my message was a bit abrupt, I didn't intend for that at all.
>
>>  system, that's of course different but I didn't see any of those things in
>>  your original post.
>
> Yes, ok.
>
>> 
>> > >  either one, but at least I 
>> >  bothered to look. As I said, I saw several text
>> > >  mode MSN clients in my very brief search and I didn't even look at
>> > 
>> >  So your now saying I didn't bother?
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  No, I'm saying that it's a good start but it didn't go far enough. OK,
>>  "aptitude purge x" and "aptitude install y" would have been better in
>>  terms of looking.
>
> Of course. But a lot looked like graphical apps to me like gaim for example.
>
>>
>>  I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that if a distro
>>  supplies thousands of packages and a good and easy way to search through
>>  them, people should try all possible options until they find what they
>>  like before giving up. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with asking
>>  for help,
>
> Sure.
>
>>  and of course accessibility is a concern, I'm just saying that looking at
>>  one thing and giving up is hardly bothering. Maybe I'm wrong and am being
>>  too
>
> Yes your right I should try more and I probably didn't look terribly hard, 
> but as I said libraries and stuff that I saw wasn't exactly what I wanted.
> I am now using pebroc and that is working nicely for me.
> (Its not in the repo.)
>
>>  judgmental. I'm sure others will chime in if they disagree with me. If I'm
>
> Your not. And your correct.
> And yes I will look harder next time.
>
>>  wrong, I'm sorry and I'll either shut up or try to be more helpful in the
>
> No, most of your replies have been very helpful. I was just a bit disapointed 
> with a message containing
> "apt-cache search msn" when I had already done this.
> But yes please continue to help, and I'm sorry if I sounded abrupt and for 
> asking instead of looking!
>
>>  future. Obviously Daniel thinks that I'm not being fair from his post and
>>  maybe he's right.
>
> Well I wouldn't say that exactly, but as I said the first message wasn't that 
> helpful and I think it should be ok to ask about good applications with 
> speakup on this list.
> But your right in saying that you might as well test lots of different 
> software.
> And I will do this nextime.
> So sorry about not looking and next time I will look for longer.
>
> And your posts are always helpful even though I may not think so sometimes so 
> please continue to help, because 99% of the time you answer the question or 
> give the answer the person was looking for.
> And I guess 1% of the time with anyone sometimes there message isn't as 
> helpful as the other 99% but that rarely happens.
> So thanks for the help and thanks for all the suggestions.
> And please keep helping because as I said your help is really good And I 
> really appreciate it.
>
> -- 
> Daniel Dalton
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
> d.dalton@iinet.net.au
>
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Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Actually you can filter out libraries though you'll need to use grep in

Sure, but I posted this message over a month ago, so I have already sorted
this out.

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Re: msn on linux

[Geoff Shang]

Tony Baechler wrote:

> Why is that not helpful?  I saw several text mode clients in my search.  Try 
> gaim and several others.

Gaim (now called pigeon) is a Gnome application.

Geoff.

Re: msn on linux

[Tobias Vinteus]

Hi,
There is a text-mode plugin for pidgin called finch.
There's also a branch of centericq called centerim that has kind of taken 
over from where the original developmen grinded to a halt, at least 
temporarely.

Regards,
Tobias

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Tony Baechler wrote:
>
>> Why is that not helpful?  I saw several text mode clients in my search. 
>> Try gaim and several others.
>
> Gaim (now called pigeon) is a Gnome application.
>
> Geoff.
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Re: msn on linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Ok thanks, I'll look into that if pebroc doesn't work for me.

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