alpine

alpine

[Daniel Dalton]

Hello,
I finally got alpine to work with pop3.
I just used my iinet account since it didn't require ssl and I couldn't 
get ssl working with my gmail account.
So I am using fetchmail to recieve the mail.
And I am just using alpine's send function since I couldn't get exim 
working and it seems to do more than what I need.

Anyway its all working. So that is good.
Thank you very much to everyone that helped me out with getting it all 
working.

Now I have a few alpine questions:
1. I can sort messages by date the newest at the top by starting alpine 
like 
this:
alpine -sort /reverse

How can I make alpine automatically reverse the order when I just type 
"alpine"?
2. Is it possible to make alpine block quote the text been replied to?
I know thunderbird can do this. For example:
On 3/12/2007 someone wrote:
block quote
what ever someone wrote.
block quote end
My reply.
I just find the block quotes make it easier to follow...
Is this possible?

3. How do I save/open attachments?
4. What packages do I need for the spell checker?
I get an error about alpine not been able to find the spell checker in 
/bin or something.
Any ideas on what I need?

I am reading the man page now so a couple other questions I had have 
already been answered.
If someone could help me out here I would greatly appreciate it.

-- Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: alpine

[Hart Larry]

OK, Daniel, if alpine is practicly as pine was, here's the line in pine--and 
how I have it set to avoid most quoting:
quote-suppression-threshold      = -10
I sure wish I could do that in trn.  Anyway that is the highest setting to 
avoid quoting.  Obviously news-groups are about the worst for quoting
Hope that helps
Hart

Re: alpine

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Hart Larry wrote:
> OK, Daniel, if alpine is practicly as pine was, here's the line in pine--and 
> how I have it set to avoid most quoting:
> quote-suppression-threshold      = -10

Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply.
I know this is a stupid question but what file do I put that line in?
And why does it say On Sun on the first line of the message?
Its Monday.
Is there a setting I can change in alpine to use my date not the send's 
date?

> I sure wish I could do that in trn.  Anyway that is the highest setting to 
> avoid quoting.  Obviously news-groups are about the worst for quoting

What is trn? And is this in respons to my block quote question?
Will what you said surround the text been replied to with block quotes?

> Hope that helps

It does. Thanks.

--
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: alpine

[Hart Larry]

OK Daniel, I cannot help with your date issue, but in suppressing quoting, I 
was wishing I could do the same in trn, a threaded news-reader.  Now, to fix 
your quoting, just go in pine, m for main menu, s for setup  and c for config. 
Either look for the 3rd instance of quote  or just arrow down til you find an 
item which looks similar to what I sent.  You will press enter--and change the 
numeric value to minus 10 if you don't want any quoting.  Once you are happy 
with any-and-all your changes, hit e--and it will prompt  with "committ 
changes, y n?"
You see, as I have quoting disabled, I guess you may have quoted some or all of 
my comments?  All I saw were the date refferences
Good luck
Hart

Re: alpine

[Daniel Dalton]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Hart Larry wrote:
> your quoting, just go in pine, m for main menu, s for setup  and c for 
> config. Either look for the 3rd instance of quote  or just arrow down til you 
> find an item which looks similar to what I sent.  You will press enter--and 
> change the numeric value to minus 10 if you don't want any quoting.  Once you 
> are happy with any-and-all your changes, hit e--and it will prompt  with 
> "committ changes, y n?"

I added the line in .pinerc and it worked. Thanks.

> You see, as I have quoting disabled, I guess you may have quoted some or all 
> of my comments?  All I saw were the date refferences

I did.
One question though.
What happens if someone asks for example
Is it possible to listen to music on linux.
And someone wrote below there text yes it is.
How would you know what question that is in reply to?

Thanks for the help,

--
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: alpine

[Hart Larry]

Well Daniel, glad it worked.  To answer your latest question, if the quoted 
line is skipped, the context may seem strange.  At that point you can press an 
h to see the full message.
Hart

Re: alpine

[Daniel Dalton]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> I get an error about alpine not been able to find the spell checker in /bin 
> or something.
> Any ideas on what I need?

Ok I installed aspell and now I don't get that error.
I get
"en_au dictionary doesn't exist" or something.
So how do I switch to say the us dictionary just so I can check my 
spelling? It seems like there is no Australian spell checker.
Any ideas?

I still haven't worked out the answers to my other questions. So help with 
them would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

--
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: alpine

[Geoff Shang]

Daniel Dalton wrote:

> 1. I can sort messages by date the newest at the top by starting alpine like 
> this:
> alpine -sort /reverse
>
> How can I make alpine automatically reverse the order when I just type 
> "alpine"?

To make it do this permanently, go to the main menu, then press "s" for 
setup and "c" for configuration.  You can use "w" to search in the config 
screen, so type "w" and enter:

sort key

(note that in pine it's "sort-key")

Here you will find a rather large list of items by which you can sort 
messages.  The default is "arrival".  You will either want "reverse 
arrival" or "reverse date".  Probably  "reverse date" for a dialup system 
or a system which does not get mail all the time, though I am not sure if 
date and reverse date take timezones into account when sorting.

you can experiment first if you want by using the $ command in the message 
index.  This will sort the index for your current session and will revert 
when you close the folder.

Note that the config screen has lots and lots of options with built-in 
help, which you might want to investigate.  Set aside a good slab of time 
for this, as there are screens and screens ful of options.

> 2. Is it possible to make alpine block quote the text been replied to?

NOt that I know of.  I think that mailers that do this are sending in HTML 
and are using the blockquote HTML tag to do this.  Most mailers use a quote 
line prefix like ">" to denote quoted text, and if your speech is set to 
read this symbol then it's easy enough to arrow past the quoted text.

> 3. How do I save/open attachments?

When reading a message, press "v" for the attachment index.  The first part 
will be the message body in nearly all cases.  Following will be other 
attachments if any.  You can press enter to view the attachment if 
possible, or you can press "s" to save the attachment.

You can also view attachments from the message view screen itself without 
having to go into the attachment index by pressing enter on the appropriate 
attachment, but you can not save them from there.

> 4. What packages do I need for the spell checker?

You seem to have solved this one.

I forget whether you installed aspell or ispell, but if it was aspell, you 
will want to install the aspell-en package.  Australian English doesn't 
seem to be an option, so you will have to choose between American, British 
and Canadian English.  Presumably the package will ask for your preference 
when you install it.

If you installed ispell, you will need either iamerican or ibritish.

Geoff.