Re: No F Key Boot Menu

Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
the 2nd 1, etc.

On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> My bios:
> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
> boot order, again.
> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
> implementations.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>


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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

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The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
> the 2nd 1, etc.
>
> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > My bios:
> > Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> > UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> > does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
> > from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
> > the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
> > flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> > removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
> > boot order, again.
> > My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
> > in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
> > there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
> > bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
> > removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
> > implementations.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >
>
>
>

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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.

----- Original Message -----
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu

> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
> 
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >
> > Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
> > said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
> > such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
> > the 2nd 1, etc.
> >
> > On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > My bios:
> > > Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> > > UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> > > does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
> > > from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
> > > the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
> > > flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> > > removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
> > > boot order, again.
> > > My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
> > > in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
> > > there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
> > > bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
> > > removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
> > > implementations.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Boot order selection and other internal bios tasks in that kind of bios
usually get done with arrow keys and enter.  At least that's the way it
was the last time I tried to help someone over the phone.  What's needed
for all of these systems are screen layouts in ascii files so people can
know once bios opens arrow down twice and hit enter to get boot order if
that actually does boot order, then the selection possibilities in boot
order menu.  I'm sure many of us can do without the pictures since
screen readers don't do pictures.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:27:10
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
> Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
> > The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> > >
> > > Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
> > > said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
> > > such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
> > > the 2nd 1, etc.
> > >
> > > On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > My bios:
> > > > Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> > > > UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> > > > does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
> > > > from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
> > > > the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
> > > > flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> > > > removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
> > > > boot order, again.
> > > > My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
> > > > in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
> > > > there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
> > > > bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
> > > > removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
> > > > implementations.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Blinux-list mailing list
> > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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>
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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Yes, on my HP Envy, if I hit the F2 key at startup, I can select from a 
list of boot devices. I do this when I'm installing a new OS from my USB 
stick.


On 8/5/19 4:27 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
>> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>>>
>>> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
>>> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
>>> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
>>> the 2nd 1, etc.
>>>
>>> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> My bios:
>>>> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
>>>> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
>>>> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
>>>> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
>>>> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
>>>> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
>>>> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
>>>> boot order, again.
>>>> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
>>>> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
>>>> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
>>>> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
>>>> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
>>>> implementations.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
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>>
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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I think I found the answer:
• Fast Boot
On/Off
Enabling fast boot will make the initial post/boot slightly faster by bypassing the boot
device check and using last boot HDD.
Default: On
So now I just need some eyeballs to help me get in there and turn that off.
----- Original Message -----
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 20:28:41 -0500
Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu

> Yes, on my HP Envy, if I hit the F2 key at startup, I can select from a 
> list of boot devices. I do this when I'm installing a new OS from my USB 
> stick.
> 
> 
> On 8/5/19 4:27 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
> > Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >
> >> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
> >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >>>
> >>> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
> >>> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
> >>> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
> >>> the 2nd 1, etc.
> >>>
> >>> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>> My bios:
> >>>> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> >>>> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> >>>> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
> >>>> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
> >>>> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
> >>>> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> >>>> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
> >>>> boot order, again.
> >>>> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
> >>>> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
> >>>> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
> >>>> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
> >>>> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
> >>>> implementations.
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> -- 
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>
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> > Blinux-list mailing list
> > Blinux-list@redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 
> -- 
> Christopher (CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 

Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

So I'll leap in here. I've been trying to get my Dell Inspiron to boot 
from a Linux stick. No boot menu anywhere, all the articles say oh, you 
have to do this and this and that, but......will this actually work?

On 06/08/2019 02:28, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I think I found the answer:
> • Fast Boot
> On/Off
> Enabling fast boot will make the initial post/boot slightly faster by bypassing the boot
> device check and using last boot HDD.
> Default: On
> So now I just need some eyeballs to help me get in there and turn that off.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 20:28:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
>> Yes, on my HP Envy, if I hit the F2 key at startup, I can select from a
>> list of boot devices. I do this when I'm installing a new OS from my USB
>> stick.
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/19 4:27 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>>>
>>>> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>>>>>
>>>>> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
>>>>> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
>>>>> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
>>>>> the 2nd 1, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> My bios:
>>>>>> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
>>>>>> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
>>>>>> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
>>>>>> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
>>>>>> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
>>>>>> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
>>>>>> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
>>>>>> boot order, again.
>>>>>> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
>>>>>> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
>>>>>> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
>>>>>> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
>>>>>> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
>>>>>> implementations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>> -- 
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>
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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

The dells if I remember are the systems where as soon as you turn them
on you hit the delete key to get into bios.  I have no idea how the real
estate is laid out once you get into bios on those machines though.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 07:08:49
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
> So I'll leap in here. I've been trying to get my Dell Inspiron to boot from a
> Linux stick. No boot menu anywhere, all the articles say oh, you have to do
> this and this and that, but......will this actually work?
>
> On 06/08/2019 02:28, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I think I found the answer:
> > ? Fast Boot
> > On/Off
> > Enabling fast boot will make the initial post/boot slightly faster by
> > bypassing the boot
> > device check and using last boot HDD.
> > Default: On
> > So now I just need some eyeballs to help me get in there and turn that off.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 20:28:41 -0500
> > Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >
> >> Yes, on my HP Envy, if I hit the F2 key at startup, I can select from a
> >> list of boot devices. I do this when I'm installing a new OS from my USB
> >> stick.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/5/19 4:27 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>> Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot
> >>> from which is.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
> >>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >>>
> >>>> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
> >>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
> >>>>> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
> >>>>> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
> >>>>> the 2nd 1, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> My bios:
> >>>>>> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> >>>>>> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> >>>>>> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to
> >>>>>> boot
> >>>>>> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> >>>>>> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and
> >>>>>> change the
> >>>>>> boot order, again.
> >>>>>> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something
> >>>>>> wrong
> >>>>>> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should
> >>>>>> one be
> >>>>>> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous
> >>>>>> bios
> >>>>>> implementations.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >> --
> >> Christopher (CJ)
> >> Chaltain at Gmail
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Blinux-list mailing list
> >> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>
> >
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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

for most commodity dells, F12 is often the key to bring up the
select-boot-device menu.

On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 11:57:26AM -0700, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I ended up memorizing the key presses to set boot order in the bios in the absence of a boot menu. Sigh. So many left arrows, so many down arros, etc.

Re: No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

I ended up memorizing the key presses to set boot order in the bios in the absence of a boot menu. Sigh. So many left arrows, so many down arros, etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 12:08:49 +0100
Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu

> So I'll leap in here. I've been trying to get my Dell Inspiron to boot 
from a Linux stick. No boot menu anywhere, all the articles say oh, you 
have to do this and this and that, but......will this actually work?

On 06/08/2019 02:28, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I think I found the answer:
> • Fast Boot
> On/Off
> Enabling fast boot will make the initial post/boot slightly faster by bypassing the boot
> device check and using last boot HDD.
> Default: On
> So now I just need some eyeballs to help me get in there and turn that off.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 20:28:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
>> Yes, on my HP Envy, if I hit the F2 key at startup, I can select from a
>> list of boot devices. I do this when I'm installing a new OS from my USB
>> stick.
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/19 4:27 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>>>
>>>> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
>>>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>>>>>
>>>>> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
>>>>> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
>>>>> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
>>>>> the 2nd 1, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> My bios:
>>>>>> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
>>>>>> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
>>>>>> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
>>>>>> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
>>>>>> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
>>>>>> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
>>>>>> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
>>>>>> boot order, again.
>>>>>> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
>>>>>> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
>>>>>> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
>>>>>> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
>>>>>> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
>>>>>> implementations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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If you use braille, I think it'll be a good idea to backup that memory.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:57:26
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
> I ended up memorizing the key presses to set boot order in the bios in the absence of a boot menu. Sigh. So many left arrows, so many down arros, etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 12:08:49 +0100
> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
>
> > So I'll leap in here. I've been trying to get my Dell Inspiron to boot
> from a Linux stick. No boot menu anywhere, all the articles say oh, you
> have to do this and this and that, but......will this actually work?
>
> On 06/08/2019 02:28, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I think I found the answer:
> > ? Fast Boot
> > On/Off
> > Enabling fast boot will make the initial post/boot slightly faster by bypassing the boot
> > device check and using last boot HDD.
> > Default: On
> > So now I just need some eyeballs to help me get in there and turn that off.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 20:28:41 -0500
> > Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >
> >> Yes, on my HP Envy, if I hit the F2 key at startup, I can select from a
> >> list of boot devices. I do this when I'm installing a new OS from my USB
> >> stick.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/5/19 4:27 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>> Getting into the bios isn't the problem. It's selecting a device to boot from which is.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:21:14 -0400
> >>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >>>
> >>>> The delete key can get you into bios on some systems too.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:59:41
> >>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> >>>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: No F Key Boot Menu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Often the escape key can be used to bring up a boot menu. That being
> >>>>> said, there's usually an option in bios to set more than 1 boot drive,
> >>>>> such that if the 1st 1 doesn't contain bootable media, it'll move onto
> >>>>> the 2nd 1, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/5/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> My bios:
> >>>>>> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> >>>>>> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> >>>>>> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot
> >>>>>> from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into
> >>>>>> the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a
> >>>>>> flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently
> >>>>>> removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the
> >>>>>> boot order, again.
> >>>>>> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong
> >>>>>> in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in
> >>>>>> there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the
> >>>>>> bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be
> >>>>>> removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios
> >>>>>> implementations.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
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> >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com
> >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>>
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> >> --
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> >> Chaltain at Gmail
> >>
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> >
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Re: No F Key Boot Menu

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Hello George,

Didier Spaier here.

I couldn't find an user manual for your firmware.

However there is a support form for end users here:
https://ami.com/en/support/technical-support/
I hope it's accessible.

Just FYI with my firmware pressing F12 allows to choose
which device to boot from, but this feature has to be
enabled in some firmware setting.

Talk to you on #a11y <smile>

Best,

Didier
  

On 05/08/2019 21:50, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> My bios:
> Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
> UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
> does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the boot order, again.
> My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios implementations.

No F Key Boot Menu

[Linux for blind general discussion]

My bios:
Board: EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 131-HE-E995 1.0
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2.08 06/28/2019
does not seem to have a function whereby you can select a device to boot from using one of the function keys. Instead, one must physically go into the bios and change boot order, if, for example, you wish to boot from a flash drive to install an OS. And if that flash drive is subsequently removed, the system will not boot, until you go into the bios and change the boot order, again.
My question: is this normal bios behavior these days, or is something wrong in my particular implementation. I turned off the secure boot function in there. Would turning that on fix this? What else might I look for in the bios to either (a) allow for falling back on different devices should one be removed or (b) to allow the function key boot menu found in previous bios implementations.