svlpro

svlpro

[nukes]

Wed Dec 15 16:45:00 1999

the svlpro project is hereby discontinued  due to lack of interest and support
happpy new year
regards, brett Barback

Re: svlpro

[Buddy Brannan]

At 04:45 PM 12/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Wed Dec 15 16:45:00 1999
>
>the svlpro project is hereby discontinued  due to lack of interest and
support
>happpy new year
>regards, brett Barback

I recall seeing over the past couple weeks two or three questions as to the
availablility of the source to SVLPro, with no definitive reply, at least,
none on the list. This is a lack of interest? I'd say that you've got some
interest, despite the fact that you've had a couple of very significant
rewrites of the program, so significant were these rewrites that the whole
concept of how the program worked/interacted with the operating system was
changed, and was in the process of changing a third time, as I recall from
your most recent Emails on the project. I don't know what other help you'd
want, apart from people testing it out and saying, "Oh, it's broken", or
"Oh, it works great". If something was broken, how much feedback could be
given on a fix for whatever was broken without the source? As far as
working on things that you yourself don't like to do, did you get any help
from anyone on them, or even ask for any? (Documentation, for instance) 

Just some thoughts. ... If you want to discontinue your work, you're
certainly entitled, but it certainly sounds to me as though your bowing out
is at least premature. Of course, if you're really not interested in it
anymore, that's something other--that's why we're all ding this stuff,
after all, but why not just say you're not interested in doing it? Course,
if you are interested and don't want any help, who's to stop you? 

Regards,
--
Buddy Brannan
Email: davros@airmail.net
The 1-800-Be-A-Geek people :)
Standard disclaimers apply....

Re: svlpro

[Jmann]

I am sorry that this is happening.  I use svlpro on one of my machines that
ihvae.  I like it.
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> Wed Dec 15 16:45:00 1999
>
> the svlpro project is hereby discontinued  due to lack of interest and
support
> happpy new year
> regards, brett Barback
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Re: svlpro

[Ivan Fetch]

Hello,
At 02:45 PM 12/16/1999 , you wrote:
>the svlpro project is hereby discontinued  due to lack of interest and
support
>happpy new year

   That's a very turse, uninformative, message - I have been the individual
asking 2-3 times for the source code to svlpro (both via personal email and
on-list) and have had no reply what so ever.  I am not here to be critical
of anyone's source code - I merely want to work on a console-based screen
reader and rather than everyone starting their own project and no one
really finishing anything some folks could work together and have a pretty
col product!

   Ok, so if you are getting rid of svlpro than allow me to download any
source and documentation you have in any form, so that maybe, it can live
on in some form...

Ivan Fetch.

Re: svlpro

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi there Ivan,

I don't know for certain, but Michael Gorse's web page seems to indicate
that he's working on a console screen reader that works from a shell. You
might contact him on the screen reader he's working on; I *think* he's
GPL'ing it. Course, you might also check out Speakup, which of course works
as kernel patches, and it is definitely GPL. I don't have Michael's Email
address to hand, although I think it's mgorse@wpi.edu ... There's a link to
his Web page at Blinux home page, if I'm not too badly mistaken.
--
Buddy Brannan
Email: davros@airmail.net
The 1-800-Be-A-Geek people :)
Standard disclaimers apply....

Re: svlpro

[Nicolas Pitre]

Just an idea for someone with time to experiment:

There is a package named "dosgate" available for few months already that
was announced on this list.  This is a DOS program intended to run within
dosemu that mimic in dosemu aka DOS all Linux native virtual consoles.
This would allow, for example, one to pick up the free JAWS for DOS
version and run it along with dosgate, thus having JAWS for DOS (or any
other good old DOS screen reader) manage the Linux console.

dosgate was originally written because somebody wanted to use his old Alva
ABT240 under Linux but there isn't any documentation available for it that
would have led to a BRLTTY driver.  Instead, dosgate allowed for the DOS
TSR for the ABT240 to run under dosemu and dosgate just duplicate screen
content and keypresses between the DOS envirenment and Linux virtual
consoles transparently.

That's something I wanted to play with for a long time, but... didn't come
to it yet.  Since it should work with screen readers too, maybe this is a
good alternative too.


On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hi there Ivan,
> 
> I don't know for certain, but Michael Gorse's web page seems to indicate
> that he's working on a console screen reader that works from a shell. You
> might contact him on the screen reader he's working on; I *think* he's
> GPL'ing it. Course, you might also check out Speakup, which of course works
> as kernel patches, and it is definitely GPL. I don't have Michael's Email
> address to hand, although I think it's mgorse@wpi.edu ... There's a link to
> his Web page at Blinux home page, if I'm not too badly mistaken.
> --
> Buddy Brannan
> Email: davros@airmail.net
> The 1-800-Be-A-Geek people :)
> Standard disclaimers apply....
> 
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dosgate

[Nicolas Pitre]

dosgate is available from:

	http://www.cs.unibo.it/~zinie/dosgate/

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Nicolas Pitre wrote:

> Just an idea for someone with time to experiment:
> 
> There is a package named "dosgate" available for few months already that
> was announced on this list.  This is a DOS program intended to run within
> dosemu that mimic in dosemu aka DOS all Linux native virtual consoles.
> This would allow, for example, one to pick up the free JAWS for DOS
> version and run it along with dosgate, thus having JAWS for DOS (or any
> other good old DOS screen reader) manage the Linux console.
> 
> dosgate was originally written because somebody wanted to use his old Alva
> ABT240 under Linux but there isn't any documentation available for it that
> would have led to a BRLTTY driver.  Instead, dosgate allowed for the DOS
> TSR for the ABT240 to run under dosemu and dosgate just duplicate screen
> content and keypresses between the DOS envirenment and Linux virtual
> consoles transparently.
> 
> That's something I wanted to play with for a long time, but... didn't come
> to it yet.  Since it should work with screen readers too, maybe this is a
> good alternative too.

Re: dosgate

[Simon F]

And this program will work with any dos screen reader, such as mastertouch
or jfd (jaws for dos)?

simon.
At 10:45 19/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>dosgate is available from:
>
>	http://www.cs.unibo.it/~zinie/dosgate/
>
>On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>
>> Just an idea for someone with time to experiment:
>> 
>> There is a package named "dosgate" available for few months already that
>> was announced on this list.  This is a DOS program intended to run within
>> dosemu that mimic in dosemu aka DOS all Linux native virtual consoles.
>> This would allow, for example, one to pick up the free JAWS for DOS
>> version and run it along with dosgate, thus having JAWS for DOS (or any
>> other good old DOS screen reader) manage the Linux console.
>> 
>> dosgate was originally written because somebody wanted to use his old Alva
>> ABT240 under Linux but there isn't any documentation available for it that
>> would have led to a BRLTTY driver.  Instead, dosgate allowed for the DOS
>> TSR for the ABT240 to run under dosemu and dosgate just duplicate screen
>> content and keypresses between the DOS envirenment and Linux virtual
>> consoles transparently.
>> 
>> That's something I wanted to play with for a long time, but... didn't come
>> to it yet.  Since it should work with screen readers too, maybe this is a
>> good alternative too.
>
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Re: dosgate

[Nicolas Pitre]

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Simon F wrote:

> And this program will work with any dos screen reader, such as mastertouch
> or jfd (jaws for dos)?

That's the goal of dosgate.  Of course it hasn't been widely tested yet
and might still contain some bugs.  But since dosgate is a regular DOS
application, any DOS adaptation should work with it.

> At 10:45 19/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >dosgate is available from:
> >
> >	http://www.cs.unibo.it/~zinie/dosgate/
> >
> >On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> >
> >> Just an idea for someone with time to experiment:
> >> 
> >> There is a package named "dosgate" available for few months already that
> >> was announced on this list.  This is a DOS program intended to run within
> >> dosemu that mimic in dosemu aka DOS all Linux native virtual consoles.
> >> This would allow, for example, one to pick up the free JAWS for DOS
> >> version and run it along with dosgate, thus having JAWS for DOS (or any
> >> other good old DOS screen reader) manage the Linux console.
> >> 
> >> dosgate was originally written because somebody wanted to use his old Alva
> >> ABT240 under Linux but there isn't any documentation available for it that
> >> would have led to a BRLTTY driver.  Instead, dosgate allowed for the DOS
> >> TSR for the ABT240 to run under dosemu and dosgate just duplicate screen
> >> content and keypresses between the DOS envirenment and Linux virtual
> >> consoles transparently.
> >> 
> >> That's something I wanted to play with for a long time, but... didn't come
> >> to it yet.  Since it should work with screen readers too, maybe this is a
> >> good alternative too.
> >
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Re: dosgate

[Enrico Zini]

On Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 04:42:57PM -0500, Nicolas Pitre wrote:

> > And this program will work with any dos screen reader, such as mastertouch
> > or jfd (jaws for dos)?
> 
> That's the goal of dosgate.  Of course it hasn't been widely tested yet
> and might still contain some bugs.  But since dosgate is a regular DOS
> application, any DOS adaptation should work with it.

And, of course, the dosgate author (me) reads this list, and is willing to
provide any help required.

Also, I wrote dosgate but I don't use it, and I need feedback from other people
to be able to find bugs to correct and improve it.


				Read you soon! Enrico

--
GPG public key available on finger -l zinie@cs.unibo.it

Re: svlpro

[Simon F]

where can I download a copy of this dosgate? and does it need a synthasizer
or  does the dos screen reader handle that side of things?

simon.At 16:41 17/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Just an idea for someone with time to experiment:
>
>There is a package named "dosgate" available for few months already that
>was announced on this list.  This is a DOS program intended to run within
>dosemu that mimic in dosemu aka DOS all Linux native virtual consoles.
>This would allow, for example, one to pick up the free JAWS for DOS
>version and run it along with dosgate, thus having JAWS for DOS (or any
>other good old DOS screen reader) manage the Linux console.
>
>dosgate was originally written because somebody wanted to use his old Alva
>ABT240 under Linux but there isn't any documentation available for it that
>would have led to a BRLTTY driver.  Instead, dosgate allowed for the DOS
>TSR for the ABT240 to run under dosemu and dosgate just duplicate screen
>content and keypresses between the DOS envirenment and Linux virtual
>consoles transparently.
>
>That's something I wanted to play with for a long time, but... didn't come
>to it yet.  Since it should work with screen readers too, maybe this is a
>good alternative too.
>
>
>On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
>> Hi there Ivan,
>> 
>> I don't know for certain, but Michael Gorse's web page seems to indicate
>> that he's working on a console screen reader that works from a shell. You
>> might contact him on the screen reader he's working on; I *think* he's
>> GPL'ing it. Course, you might also check out Speakup, which of course works
>> as kernel patches, and it is definitely GPL. I don't have Michael's Email
>> address to hand, although I think it's mgorse@wpi.edu ... There's a link to
>> his Web page at Blinux home page, if I'm not too badly mistaken.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan
>> Email: davros@airmail.net
>> The 1-800-Be-A-Geek people :)
>> Standard disclaimers apply....
>> 
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dosgate vs Re: svlpro

[Nicolas Pitre]

To use dosgate, start by making yourself a setup that works under
straight DOS.  The synthesizer question depends on the screen reader
package you want to use.

dosgate is available from http://www.cs.unibo.it/~zinie/dosgate/


On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Simon F wrote:

> where can I download a copy of this dosgate? and does it need a synthasizer
> or  does the dos screen reader handle that side of things?
> 
> simon.At 16:41 17/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Just an idea for someone with time to experiment:
> >
> >There is a package named "dosgate" available for few months already that
> >was announced on this list.  This is a DOS program intended to run within
> >dosemu that mimic in dosemu aka DOS all Linux native virtual consoles.
> >This would allow, for example, one to pick up the free JAWS for DOS
> >version and run it along with dosgate, thus having JAWS for DOS (or any
> >other good old DOS screen reader) manage the Linux console.
> >
> >dosgate was originally written because somebody wanted to use his old Alva
> >ABT240 under Linux but there isn't any documentation available for it that
> >would have led to a BRLTTY driver.  Instead, dosgate allowed for the DOS
> >TSR for the ABT240 to run under dosemu and dosgate just duplicate screen
> >content and keypresses between the DOS envirenment and Linux virtual
> >consoles transparently.
> >
> >That's something I wanted to play with for a long time, but... didn't come
> >to it yet.  Since it should work with screen readers too, maybe this is a
> >good alternative too.
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there Ivan,
> >> 
> >> I don't know for certain, but Michael Gorse's web page seems to indicate
> >> that he's working on a console screen reader that works from a shell. You
> >> might contact him on the screen reader he's working on; I *think* he's
> >> GPL'ing it. Course, you might also check out Speakup, which of course works
> >> as kernel patches, and it is definitely GPL. I don't have Michael's Email
> >> address to hand, although I think it's mgorse@wpi.edu ... There's a link to
> >> his Web page at Blinux home page, if I'm not too badly mistaken.
> >> --
> >> Buddy Brannan
> >> Email: davros@airmail.net
> >> The 1-800-Be-A-Geek people :)
> >> Standard disclaimers apply....
> >> 
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> 
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Re: svlpro

[Mike Gorse]

Yeah, my email is mgorse@wpi.edu (although I don't think I'll be able to
check it much the next few weeks), and yasr's home page is
http://www.wpi.edu/~mgorse/yasr/.  Currently it probably won't work well
if you're using something other than a Speak-out or DEC-talk PC (it tries
to support the DoubleTalk but reportedly doesn't work well with it).  I
should have some time to work on it over Christmas; I'd like to at least
get it to work with Emacspeak servers, and hopefully get it to work better
with the DEC-talk Express (currently has problems with the DTExp losing
data, and I don't know how to handshake with it).

I might eventually put yasr under the artistic license but haven't got
around to figuring out how I'm going to license it yet.  Either way, the
source is available; currently it's all I have on my page.

--Michael Gorse, WPI Cs '01 / ICQ:22583968 / http://www.wpi.edu/~mgorse/ --
       What is the name of the highest mountain in the Philippines?
                        Why, Mount Apo, of course.


On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hi there Ivan,
> 
> I don't know for certain, but Michael Gorse's web page seems to indicate
> that he's working on a console screen reader that works from a shell. You
> might contact him on the screen reader he's working on; I *think* he's
> GPL'ing it. Course, you might also check out Speakup, which of course works
> as kernel patches, and it is definitely GPL. I don't have Michael's Email
> address to hand, although I think it's mgorse@wpi.edu ... There's a link to
> his Web page at Blinux home page, if I'm not too badly mistaken.
> --
> Buddy Brannan
> Email: davros@airmail.net
> The 1-800-Be-A-Geek people :)
> Standard disclaimers apply....
> 
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