From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-gw0-f42.google.com (mail-gw0-f42.google.com [74.125.83.42]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D15DC1A4AC for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17so487674gwj.29 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MwTaPSMFnGXh78qjhirnAJCXmHsZWaZ83hzirXZ9RLY=; b=KFyfF8j/1FbnkTkppwKD9iJDM4/WXMOyXo+PPqsZKJVeHrCWgfUZ72Bbu+1/pv5Vn1 /EYEmBWjJZzz3b4YMbGQ4NX/Kd6bGpfziHkY04XyP0AlL/vOLET99+Q1UmmYxBzXQ/B/ N7VbmdrSr2wSNUmdGlb6sPd4wE1XNTYGh6pTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ulm+z/trWWSyTCovuqwn4ucsr5uJGByAy5snAx8JECaqb4Wrggp5IPx4SBHpEtPTmI dRHPWCX/yQNCLNCe86PUQOImodUmp8ow8HuJdSom1tzGOyvPIzSDSrw7yVPiWGS3qu0q 0PGzzftg+Y4bkoCWc6sKVj42+0TYIFGTWW2kA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.135.7 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:34:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4bcf1286.0a5b8d0a.2549.ffff9971@mx.google.com> References: <4bcf1286.0a5b8d0a.2549.ffff9971@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:34:12 -0400 Received: by 10.101.26.5 with SMTP id d5mr7214801anj.60.1271864053172; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie question about punctuation From: Bill Cox To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:34:41 -0000 Thanks, Chris! I would recommend that a sentence about the difference be added to the user guide. I see the default soft/punct level is 0, and it's range is 0 to 2. ospeakup (previously speechd-up) interprets this as "all", but I'm pretty sure espeakup considers this "none". I think we should have 0 mean "none", 1 mean "some", and 2 mean "all" in ospeakup. Bill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Chris Brannon wro= te: > Bill Cox wrote: >> Sorry for this newbie question. =A0I use espeakup and speechd-up, and no >> external devices. =A0What is the difference between punctuation and >> reading punctuation? > > Hello, > Here's the difference. =A0The "punctuation level" setting that you contro= l > with the speakup + f9 and speakup + f10 keys affects the punctuations > that Speakup reads when the application is writing text to the screen. > On the other hand, the "reading punctuation" level affects the punctuatio= ns > spoken when you read using the screen review commands. > Maybe an example will be useful. > > First, get to a shell prompt. > Hit speakup + f10 until the punctuation level is at its maximum of 4. > Now, press speakup + f11 until reading punctuation is at its minimum of 0= . > Echo something to the screen: > echo 'Hello, world!' > You should hear Speakup say > Hello comma world bang > Now, read the line just above your shell prompt with the review keys. > speakup + numpad 3, followed by numpad 7 should do it. > You won't hear the punctuations comma and bang. > > There's a third punctuation setting, and this one is synth specific. > It can't be controlled by function keys. =A0You have to > set it by echoing a number from 0 to 3 to > /sys/accessibility/speakup/soft/punct. > When you change this setting, Speakup sends the "set punctuation" command > to the software synthesizer. > The two settings described in the last paragraph determine how much > punctuation is read by Speakup. > This third setting tells the synthesizer how to interpret raw punctuation > characters that it receives. > > Hope this helps, > -- Chris > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >