From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 47AD61EFD44; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3823F1EFA9E for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AF017E51; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id CCFA914B9A; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC19014B98; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:02:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jude DaShiell To: Glenn , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version In-Reply-To: <4FFE50463720449E943F3C4EA3E25886@LennyAcer5720> Message-ID: References: <20160517172409.GN32487@katolaz.homeunix.net> <20160520202337.GA19066@gregn.net> <20160523134308.GG32487@katolaz.homeunix.net> <20160523223305.GB20081@gregn.net> <20160526055409.GS32487@katolaz.homeunix.net> <20160526232351.GB8518@gregn.net> <4FFE50463720449E943F3C4EA3E25886@LennyAcer5720> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (NEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 13:03:04 -0000 I can put the thumbdrive in and run update-grub, thanks for the suggestion. On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Glenn wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:37:02 > From: Glenn > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version > > Jude, > Can you install GRUB on that older computer and update it with the thumb > drive in, and thus have included in the GRUB menu? > Otherwise, there are GRUB ISO's for CD's too, for finding thumb drives. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jude DaShiell" > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > ; "KatolaZ" > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version > > > aplay is probably available and creation of a login.wav file could be > done with a command left in rc.local too. I did get espeak talking and > have a doubletalk so can probably test yasr with that. Unfortunately > since I have only a wifi connection in computer's location now, I > couldn't get the wifi adapter up yet. If this computer could boot from > a usb port I could put the image on a flash drive then do configuration > on that flash drive and boot the computer from that flash drive. > Unfortunately it's an old amd k8 athelon machine that won't boot from > usb. If I get to an ethernet connection though this ought to work fine > as a live disk. > > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 19:23:51 >> From: Gregory Nowak >> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> >> To: KatolaZ >> Cc: speakup@linux-speakup.org >> Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version >> >> Hi KatolaZ and the speakup list, >> KatolaZ, I'm sending a cc to the speakup list, which is full of blind >> GNU/Linux speakup user's. I have my own thoughts on your comments >> below, but my preferences aren't everyone else's. So, I think it's a >> really good idea to give you more feedback at this point in our >> discussion. Fellow speakup listers, the images that KatolaZ is >> working on can be found at: >> >> >> >> As I type this, we have a beep at the isolinux boot prompt, which >> sounds to me like three beeps. You can either press enter here, or >> wait a few seconds more. If you are booting from a burned cd, it will >> spin for a bit. If you are booting some other way, wait maybe three >> minutes at most, probably less. Either way, then type "root", and >> "toor" as the password to login. Then to start speakup, type: >> >> modprobe speakup_soft >> >> followed by >> >> service espeakup start >> >> You should then hopefully get software speech. The images also include >> brltty, which is started by default, and configured for a usb >> display. Since brltty and speakup both want to use the numpad, you >> will have to do service brltty stop to stop brltty, so speakup can >> control the numpad. The alternative is to use speakup's laptop layout, >> which does work just fine. The images include yasr as well, which I >> haven't tested yet. >> >> Comments are inline. >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:54:09AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 03:33:05PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: >>> > Hi again, >>> > as far as getting agetty to play ctrl+g ... I don't know of a way to >>> > do that. You can however simply edit /etc/issue, and put a ctrl+g into >>> > that. The way I do this in vi is to do vi /etc/issue. >>> > Then I do "i" to insert at the beginning, and then I do ctrl+v ctrl+g >>> > to insert a ctrl+g into the file. Then I just do esc, followed by >>> > ":wq" to save the file. >>> > >>> >>> Hi Greg, >>> >>> thanks you very much for your reply. I am actually trying to find a >>> solution that is somehow configurable, but maybe that just putting a >>> ^G in issue is just fine. >>> >>> I have also scripted a simple daemon that "beeps" every second during >>> the boot, and emits a certain beep sequence when the boot is complete >>> (basically, when getty has been spawned). I will now test it and if >>> everything works fine I will include it in the next release. >> >> Ok, thanks. I have tested so far with the >> Devuan_1.0_Jessie-Beta_minimal-live_amd64-20160523_0028.iso image. At >> the boot prompt, there are what seem to be three beeps one after the >> other. I'm personally think that's probably longer than it needs to >> be. I would say that a single beep is good enough. I'm also not sure >> that progress during boot is necessary. I think that a beep at the >> isolinux boot prompt, and another at the login prompt would be enough, >> but that's just my personal opinion, others might find progress beeps >> useful. I don't think such a a thing has been tried on a livecd before. >> >>> >>> I was also thinking of "marking" the bootloader entries with beeps, >>> but I don'w know what is the best way to do that. Basically, at the >>> moment we have a single beep in each of the "bootable" entries. Maybe >>> it might be useful to have 1 beep for the first entry, 2 for the >>> second one, and so on? I am not sure though, since we also have in the >>> boot menu two or three "special" entries (one is memtest, the other is >>> a call to the chainloader, to boot whatever is found in the first >>> disk), which should be somehow marked differently. >>> >> >> I have always found it sufficient to know what was in >> the boot menu, and to count arrow key presses to get what I wanted to >> get to. Having different beeps for each boot entry is another concept >> which I don't think has been tried before. I'm not sure >> what the majority of blind >> users would prefer. Perhaps you will get some feedback here. >> >>> I would appreciate your take on this aspect. I was thinking to have >>> something like: >>> >>> 1) a single beep for each "normal" boot entry >>> >>> 2) two beeps for the special "memtest" entry >>> >>> 3) three beeps for the chainloader >>> >>> A visually impaired user might just scroll through the first four >>> options (a single beep for each line), then bump into the memtest (two >>> beeps), then find the chainloader options (three beeps), then come >>> back to the first bootable option (one beep) >> >> That sounds reasonable to me. >> >>> >>> Thanks again for your feedback, which is very much appreciated. >> >> Thanks again for your work. >> >> Greg >> >> >>> >>> HND >>> >>> KatolaZ >>> >>> -- >>> [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] >>> [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] >>> [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] >>> [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] >>> >> >> -- >> web site: http://www.gregn.net >> gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your >> contacts. >> >> -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup --