From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 478741EF6B1; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:32:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: delayed 332 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at befuddled; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:32:02 EDT Received: from emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.109]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BFD01EF56F for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tykki.local (unknown [193.185.8.218]) by emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id A865518879D for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:26:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: (qmail 21058 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2013 09:26:25 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.local with SMTP; 31 Jul 2013 09:26:25 +0300 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:26:25 +0300 (EEST) From: Ari Moisio To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: vibe, a line-editor with vi-compatible keystrokes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.2 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:32:03 -0000 Hi But if the screen reader and ncurses do not fit together would it be better to fix one screen reader than re-invent the wheel N times? My screen reader reads the /dev/vcsa device to find out what is in the screen and even when it reads directly output to the screen it ignores all control and cursor movement sequences. No other problems than when the screen is updated it reads sometimes the updated line instead of cursor line. -- mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 0C1F 6A76 DC9D DD58 3383 8B5D 0E76 9600 B784 D02 pj@pjb.com.au kirjoitti > Subject: Re: vibe, a line-editor with vi-compatible keystrokes > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:05:04 +1000 > From: pj@pjb.com.au > To: speakup@linux-speakup.org > > Devon Stewart wrote: >> Does vim have a line-editor mode? > > It depends what you mean; there is, like I say, > vim -c 'set lines=2' > but it's still a curses app, so it still speaks voluminous garbage > and takes over the whole screen so you can't use a screen-reader > to see what's been happening. Might as well use vim. > I don't think vim has any non-curses modes. > These days ex is usually a symlink to vim -e which is still > a curses app; anyway, then you should be using edbrowse. > > Janina Sajka wrote: >> Hmmm, but one can do this all in vim already. > > Oh yes, vibe is only ever going to be a small subset of vim. > But vim speaks lots of garbage, and takes over the whole screen etc. > > I'm still fixing lots of vibe bugs within one version number, > I'll become more disciplined later... > http://www.pjb.com.au/blin/free/vibe > > Peter > > http://www.pjb.com.au pj@pjb.com.au (03) 6278 9410 > "Follow the charge, not the particle." -- Richard Feynman > from The Theory of Positrons, Physical Review, 1949 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >