From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [140.90.74.62] (helo=babel.hpcc.noaa.gov) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lxoW-0007ir-00 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:56:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (jwantz@localhost) by babel.hpcc.noaa.gov (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2FJuYW18446 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:56:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: To: Subject: Re: Computer Science In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by babel.hpcc.noaa.gov id g2FJuYW18446 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Richard, Yes, assembly really helped me, particularly with C. If you understand=20 register indexing and pointers, the concept of pointers in C really=20 isn't much of a problem. I have to admit its been a long time since I've actually written in=20 assembly. Jim Wantz On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Richard Villa wrote: > I wonder when the last time anyone did any real programming not just=20 > coding using a language like assembler. >=20 > I don't believe anyone knows what programming is until they have to=20 > write in an assembly language. > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Johan=20 > Bergstr=F6m wrote: >=20 > > In sweden the universities teach lisp/ada/c/c++ and other programming > > languages. Not IDE's. At least the ones I know about. There are separ= ate > > windows programming classes, at some places, which are specially for > > people who enjoy that kind of stuff, where they debug the windows ker= nel > > using softice and stuff like that. They run most of their server in a= *nix > > based enviroment. > >=20 > > johbe > >=20 > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: > >=20 > > > Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what my= college > > > teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript, Visual= C++, MS > > > SQL, MS Access, and you get the point. > > > Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In fac= t all the > > > computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them. > > > They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think the= y do any > > > more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I we= nt > > > through they were just making the switch to MS everything. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Amanda Lee > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: Computer Science > > > > > > > > > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college grad= s we get > > > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are al= l about. > > > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JAVA= is > > > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usu= ally C > > > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on f= or > > > > straight C Language. > > > > > > > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back t= o at > > > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platfor= m. It's > > > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education= has been > > > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life a= nd think > > > > they can take on the World in a day! > > > > > > > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program an= d the > > > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this m= entality > > > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everyth= ing they > > > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are s= o many > > > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor effici= ency. > > > > > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but sinc= e you > > > were > > > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS = and not > > > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer sc= ience > > > > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist, n= ot a > > > > > computer science person, I know many computer science students = in the > > > past > > > > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstand= ard. I > > > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach progr= amming on > > > a > > > > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amount = of people > > > > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did u= se > > > > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than= UNIX > > > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for makin= g it > > > > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >=20 >=20 >=20