From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lina.host4u.net ([216.71.64.105]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16T640-0003V8-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:54:32 -0500 Received: from lbear (mail@12-237-122-156.client.attbi.com [12.237.122.156]) by lina.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0MIsC805005 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:54:12 -0600 Received: from cpt.kirk (helo=localhost) by lbear with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16T6Bo-0002Xd-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:02:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:02:36 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Wood X-Sender: cpt.kirk@lbear To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: Needs educating: Message from Linux (fwd) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122112305.01f72890@198.144.194.210> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Charles Crawford wrote: > ... I wonder if there are some folks out there > familiar with XWindows to share the kind of navigation that goes on with > it? ... Hmm, this is a bit of a tricky question. The short answer is that things are enough like m$ winblows that people quickly adapt. A bit longer is that keyboard shortcuts are limited in the window managers I have used. This being said, I think that once a windows manager has been made accessible, then most applications will be as well. I don't think you will see the m$ situation where some apps are and some are not. The thing is that in X, one can choose the window manager (or shell) of the system. Many of these include the ability to add skins to customize the look (and sometimes even feel) of the system. Apps that don't behave with the skins aren't popular. Thus a button will be a button more often. In the m$ world, often companies make their own button which isn't recognized. This doesn't happen as much in X as it would then crash out with other window managers or not conform to the skin. You see one can change their buttons from being rectangles into being ovals. They can change them from flat to raised. If this happens correctly, it is reasonable to think that one could use the same info to tell what it is for speech. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net Nowlan's Theory: He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from the next freeway exit.