From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from ip15.shellworld.net ([64.49.204.174] helo=server2.shellworld.net ident=root) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Dga0Y-0005HT-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:16:34 -0400 Received: from server2.shellworld.net (klewellen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.shellworld.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j5A3GYO7059407 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:16:34 GMT (envelope-from klewellen@shellworld.net) Received: from localhost (klewellen@localhost) by server2.shellworld.net (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id j5A3GYsi059404 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server2.shellworld.net: klewellen owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Lewellen To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200506081730.NAA10032@pacino.3wmail.com> <001301c56c4f$7848f2b0$77ac7682@azwaterDOM.wr.usgs.gov> <20050609232720.GC14179@rednote.net> <4C68AD07-871A-42B6-AC64-0FABF45D5CF1@handsontechnologeyes.com> <20050610003342.GD14179@rednote.net> <20050610022132.GF14179@rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: web browsing and section 508 under linux X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:16:34 -0000 Go ahead, I am really interested in your opinion on this given you are actively involved with some of the process. It seems so unreasonable just from a majority standpoint. depending on who you ask 80% of the blindness population is unemployed, and the cost of the jfw setup, including all of the additional scripting you may have to pay for is astronomical. add to this that the price of other products, window eyes, windows-bridge are far mor reasonable, and require less scripting to achieve a like affect, if not a better one. That is of course assuming you want graphical at all. How many people even in that small 20% market are using dos under those windows setups? Likewise the Internet in general could be seen as a tool used by the average, say that 80% as an door through which they can educate and expand their professional options, much like a library. Additionally, even governmental compliance works for the majority, with the least common denominator serving as the rule. This should translate into text, or text plus Javascript as with eLinks, or if graphics are included into the most available, most cost efficient level that puts the majority at a even point. JFW is hardly suitable as such a model. This is why I find the stance of the freedom box people, and I just cannot believe they did not want people to think of FS with that name, given how inappropriate it is for a browser, when they choose not to make their product work with lynx. Lynx is where the 80% of your market is starting, why not give them the tools to appreciate your product and let them want to pay for it because it works for them, then charge for the browser that is already not working at the level of most of your market. This is a bit of a tangent, but echos the same point. Given where the audience is standing, it is unrealistic to make that gap wider. By the way, indeed 508 is for the moment a governmental standard, but as the first post in this thread illustrates, the private sector is likely to look at the established standard before creating one of their own. for example the folks stuck with faulty Microsoft products, even if they do not do the job etc. So do share your opinion here? I have my own ideas, but welcome yours educated to be sure. Karen >> > > > >> > > > Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and >> > > > Canada. >> > > > Go to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. >> > > > >> > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > > Speakup mailing list >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > > Speakup mailing list >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) >> > > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org >> > > >> > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 >> > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC >> > > http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com >> > > >> > > Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. >> > > Go >> > > to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. >> > > >> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > Speakup mailing list >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> -- >> >> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) >> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org >> >> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 >> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com >> >> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go >> to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >