From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from b.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.19.5]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1G59ie-0001Yx-00 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:20:13 -0400 Received: from LIFEBOOK ([153.18.213.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6ONK6CR030245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:20:07 -0700 From: "Debee Norling" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: RE: laptops with serial ports Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:20:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060715012541.GA24331@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: debee@jfcl.com, "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:20:13 -0000 My experience with PCMCIA serial ports is that Speakup loads too early. The kernel needs to load socket drivers and card services and such. But what's worked for me is to use BRLTTY on a PCMCIA or USB serial port and use Speakup on the hardware serial port, if you are lucky enough to have a laptop with one. If you don't have a hardware port and your laptop can use a port replicator or docking station you can sometimes locate one of those on ebay especially if it isn't a brand-new laptop. I have a Sony Vaio and a Toshiba Libretto which don't have serial ports but their docking stations do. If you don't want to haul around a hefty docking station, then use it for just installing/troubleshooting; get your software speech working and then ditch the docking station. Another trick is to install on a hard drive that's temporarily cabled to a PC with a serial port. Then install the hard drive in your laptop. To find an engineer you trust to do this if you aren't mechanical enough yourself, make friends with your local ham radio club. Luckily I'm married to an electrical engineer so moving IDE drives around just goes on the "honey-do" list. As for PCMCIA ports they are still around. But you have to google for surplus computer parts. Here in Silicon Valley I trust Weird Stuff Warehouse and Surplus Computers -- both stores do worldwide web sales. They're also good places for docking stations, but when you buy a surplus peripheral, do your homework and be sure you know the exact part/model number. --Debee * it is generally more convenient to simply fantasize doing a thing, than it is to go to all the trouble of actually doing it. -- The SnowMan