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Subject: RE: Switching to Linux Thread-Topic: Switching to Linux Thread-Index: AQHOTIamVJ4HPn191Eumx3zUtHXiwJj9JWcA///VY7A= Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8021.1367479350@ccs.covici.com> <518A5508.8020502@gmail.com> <518A6931.6070806@math.wisc.edu> <25752.1368029641@ccs.covici.com> <518A9206.8090008@math.wisc.edu> <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> In-Reply-To: <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2002:42bb:9c9c::42bb:9c9c] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 15:47:24 -0000 Current Debian stable ships with kernel 3.2.41 so no need for backports. Debian 7.0 codename "wheezy" released May 4th. I have already upgraded my firewalls to Debian 7.0 and so far so good. Next up is one of my main servers which runs a few services like web, NTP, = Samba and is currently powered by Debian 6.0. -----Original Message----- From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of John = G. Heim Sent: 9. mai 2013 16:01 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Switching to Linux All I did was to do a talking install the current debian stable. Orca=20 came up talking on the login screen when I rebooted after finishing the=20 install. Some recommendations: 1. Go with debian stable. 2. Consider doing a dist upgrade to stable backports. This gets you a=20 3.2 kernel. 3. Use firefox and thunderbird from mozilla on sourceforge. Do not use=20 the equivalent debian packages. 4. Gedit is more than adequate as a replacement for notepad. 5. Consider buying voxin. Voxin is eloquence for linux. You get the same=20 voice as jaws. It costs $6 from the oralux project. (Google it.) Voxin=20 may not be as stable as espeak but I like the voice much more. On 05/09/13 02:27, Tony Baechler wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > What changes did you have to make to your daily routine when you made the > switch? I already use Firefox and Thunderbird here, but I'm still > primarily on XP. I use my Linux server daily, but I purposely haven't pu= t > X on it. I have a small 10 GB installation of Debian unstable with X and > experimental, but Orca fails to work, or at least I don't have speech whe= n > I try to start it. Speakup, of course, works great. I pretty much had > the same bad experiences with Orca as other people and I didn't try to do > anything fancy. In fact, Vinux crashed almost constantly in Orca but not > Speakup. I had to use a Speakup console to kill my Orca session and > reboot. I read on the Debian accessibility list to enable experimental t= o > bring in the latest Orca improvements, but it didn't seem to help. If > anything, it made things worse as I had a constant stream of broken > packages. Now that Wheezy is out, I'll try again one of these days > soon-ish. I'm not worried about moving my profiles over from Windows, bu= t > I'm more wondering about changes made from an accessibility point of view= . > In other words, if someone with little to no Linux experience (not me, > but someone else) wanted to make the full-time switch to Orca, how well > could it be done and what adjustments would they have to make compared to > doing things the Windows way? > > On 5/8/2013 10:57 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >> >> >> >> Huh, you're the second person in this thread to say that about orca. >> But I just decided to switch to linux full time a few months ago and it >> was pretty much a breeze. I had been using that other operating system >> too but almost all the end users I support use linux (all good >> mathematicians do). So I felt I was cheating by not using linux. But I >> have had little to no trouble switching to linux with orca. I use >> thunderbird & firefox constantly. It's not quite as good as >> Windows/jaws but honestly, I made the transition fairly easily. >> >> I am really shocked to hear all these complaints about orca. Not to >> doubt you. It's just that it doesn't jibe with my experience at all. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRi0/LAAoJEPrAuJWnLe0y+yMP/RxUIuVbYrTv8cGcEo1aNMEj > g2qstErfKEtEZKUapAryVr/QfVXdpVt10bPdynFqScKKKQfjMqTmP3CkoCVO02Ao > BGhDnReuc4BI/DWuDnqJYayUusvjINnII47w4cjbfbLY+OEwmOajGlnvTLwIB6p5 > +VVoCKdzIbTBrDk08lCSso24TToNfmVYUMBUDT8mBnRwGNjN182eDVPWy8PAvIUK > QdkTOr1X1RMnn+6JsoHybRr3Owo55ILnL+XDQLEnUe1f5aGlrVXT9sdLPcCwa/uH > Ff61apGsMOX20dZ2DiB4U8aiTuU0dV81eTywFt1UZmu8dGLsEGnhvHRCoNEl0JEN > XwGH61/DdfpXnlBeusHG7quq2mTjPEy4dMpxaDoaVDVVVOf65TnVBcBBUupxZ44W > ZEY/AgbJ5eOFwd8ZZouiVNIQt+BX7gRQ5wVjHwEXlx6d3kNVEsxKIVxhx24+gpXx > Ro5Ci3fUoX/TCK3JjznxnkM7ZVPoom5B1s5ZEjEwfbVNBkOp7G6zOAeFO8N7EyRS > V8upZXTkL+GWi2vT4bfyYz14yo1Vge22OoFXuPc5nftrjvKcKtzuw5QleYct3MYT > UbMbZ0mmKSpVG58P7r6gQljOT0eWCq5z8wLXPzNmCcHAt8Tf9604upZClz7axGnT > 0Kq+DEY+LDiEBVmqsdKs > =3DGhdw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > --=20 --- John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup