RE: Building PC without any sight (wasRE: still more on bug)

["Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>]

John, thank you for these comments.  They may help me a great deal.

Also, I've responded to another message of yours.  I hope it's clear from
that message that, regarding criticisms, it is not aimed at you, but at an
attidude that if one is not a programmer then one should simply wear a
muzzle.  I may be feeling too strongly about this, but I doubt it:  as one
with but an intermediate knowledge of Linux, and one with a wife who almost
prides herself on being a non-technical user, I am deeply horrified by those
whose tack seems to be that if you can't write the relevant code on a thing
then you should cement your trap shut.  In this instance, that does not seem
to be you, so I hope you will find no reason to take offense, as none was
intended.

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of John Heim
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:26 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Building PC without any sight (wasRE: still more on bug)

All of the cables from the case to the mobo can be identified by feel.  The
problem is that it may not be clear where to plug them into the mobo. You'll
be able to figure out how to connect the power, fan, sata devices, and
serial adapter. But there will also be wires on the case for the front panel
power and reset buttons and the audio and USB jacks. The ends of those wires
are all different so you will be able to identify them but you won't know
how to connect them to the mobo unless you have access to that
documentation. And you're not going to be able to ask your spouse to look it
up either unless they're a computer nerd too.

To tell you the truth, I got assistance from an on-line PC hobbiest group. 
One guy in particular downloaded the manual for my mobo and described via
email how to connect up the wires. It was difficult to do but I got it. It
worked the first time.

Another thing I got sighted assistance with was installing the CPU.   I 
bought an AMD Phenom CPU and it has itty, bitty, tiny pins.  I googled for
instructions on installing that CPU and listened to a lot of videos. But I
still wasn't confident enough to do it myself.  The previous machine I built
had an Intel CPU and I installed that myself. But that was 3 or 4 years ago.

But I think that's about it. I got help with the CPU and the wires from the
front of the case. The rest I did myself. I installed the mobo in the case,
connected up the power, the fan, installed the RAM, the hard disk, and the
DVD drive,.

From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: Building PC without any sight (wasRE: still more on bug)


> First, I believe
>
> <pcsforeveryone.com>
>
> Also sells machines with serial ports.
>
> If it does not, or if it would just save me some big bucks, I may want 
> to assemble a machine, as John did.  John, how much sighted help did 
> you need with that, if any?  My limited experience with trying to 
> assemble a computer indicated that some stuff can be known only by way 
> of color coding, but I'd like to have been wrong about that.  (I have 
> no sight.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:50 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: still more on bug
>
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: still more on bug
>
>
>> John Heim wrote
>> | Well, admittedly, we have a problem down the road regarding serial 
>> | hardware synths. But it will be years before serial ports go away 
>> | entirely. Every Dell server class machine still comes with at least 
>> | one serial port. I don't know about other server manufacturers but 
>> | I would guess they're the same. In fact, even dell small footprint 
>> | desktops still have serial ports. So I think it will be some time 
>> | before server class machines don't come with serial ports. And even 
>> | after serial ports become obsolete, speakup won't be obsolete, it 
>> | will just have to start supporting USB synths.
>>
>> You say just like it's easy to fix speakup to do what you want it to do.
>> It's not that easy in fat to fix the code, hell i'd fix it if i could 
>> my husband would fix it if he could probably, but it's not that easy.
>>
>
> First of all, I didn't say it was going to be easy. But have you tried? 
> Are
> you an experienced C coder?  Are you saying you tried and found it 
> couldn't be done?
>
>> I've got a couple serial synths laying around but the fact is that 
>> i've not had a computer with a serial port since 2007 so yep, guess 
>> they're out of date. Last time i tried ordering a computer i couldn't 
>> get del or hp to add them even though i wanted them.
>
> I am typing this on a Dell Optiplex 760 with a serial port.  We have 
> about 100 760s all with serial ports. We have another 40 small 
> footprint 760s in our student labs all with serial ports.  We have 
> about a dozen newer Dell desktops and they all have serial ports. I 
> don't know how you managed to order a Dell w/o a serial port but its not
that hard to get one with it.
>
> And those are just desktops. Of course, every one of our servers has a 
> serial port.  We have 3 mail servers, 2 DNS servers, 3 web servers, 
> and 6 machines in our VMware cluster. All have serial ports.
> I just built myself a machine for home with parts ordered from newegg. 
> The mobo didn't have an external serial port but it does have a serial 
> port header. So then it was just a matter of attaching the appropriate
cable.
> So
> even a machine I built myself has a serial port.
>
> Look, I'm not saying you don't come across machines w/o serial ports. 
> But holy cow, I have certainly never had any trouble finding machines 
> with serial ports. Laptops & apples... You're in trouble there.
>
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