From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mzpi3.forethought.net (mzpi3.forethought.net [216.241.36.12]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9594C1A213 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from j33.denver.dsl.forethought.net ([216.241.38.33] helo=rings.ka0vba.ampr.org) by mz1.forethought.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SH52e-0008Ox-Qh for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:13:20 -0600 Received: from curtis by rings.ka0vba.ampr.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SH52e-0000ll-65 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:13:20 -0600 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Speakup and Vim In-Reply-To: <4F81C7B3.4040701@eric-scheibler.de> Message-Id: From: "D. Curtis Willoughby" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:13:20 -0600 X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:13:24 -0000 If you have not made up your mind unalterably to use vim, I would suggest that ed is much more speech-friendly. You could also try edbrowse, which has some good features. I have been using ed since I first met unix almost 35 years ago, and it has worked extremely well, both for Braille, and for speakup. The sighted folks among us do not tell us about ed, because vim or vi are more friendly to them. In fact, they have now taken it out of debian's basic packages. You can install it, though after the installation. Another fact that may not be too well-known is that even vim can be made to work a lot like ed with a simple command, which I have forgotten. It adds a colon (:) prompt, and makes vi/vim into a command-line editor, rather than a cursor-based editor. Good luck with whatever you decide upon. D. Curtis Willoughby