From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C09F1EF08B for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=L+efspv8 c=1 sm=0 a=8j+zVKNyIg3YLw+tG+jOaw==:17 a=x9LjMDoxXtcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=MQFhVG0NDWQA:10 a=qPKtzgQbAAAA:8 a=QfKxxUxMAAAA:8 a=B4O281hbAOjL4ZfBVUMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jmumlmrTP3IA:10 a=Yc9e_zV5iXQA:10 a=8j+zVKNyIg3YLw+tG+jOaw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 65.31.215.124 Received: from [65.31.215.124] ([65.31.215.124:1577] helo=mdlynn) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BD/3C-16083-3D625915; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:35:00 +0000 From: "Mitchell D. Lynn" To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" References: <8F6D9D72964E4D2E90262B7DB242EE9D@mdlynn> <5191FF80.1030802@baechler.net> <51933C1C.9070201@baechler.net> <72708A629D1C40508DEB3147F83238DA@mdlynn> <51939D80.3050903@baechler.net> <18019.1368635999@ccs.covici.com> <00CE93B930F145C99EDFFDA2407E2ACC@mdlynn> <22596.1368664945@ccs.covici.com> <1FE7DAD9E5CD4A86A60DA427B9B3C72F@mdlynn> <5194A441.9040508@baechler.net> <5194F955.8020807@math.wisc.edu> Subject: RE: Onboard serial ports Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:40:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0069F12700458A0069F274-TDI Thread-Index: Ac5SSQbFoXpopnFyT4mIf0I2VUTMUQAGuoDw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <5194F955.8020807@math.wisc.edu> X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:35:07 -0000 The problem I have with shops building the equip is being certain I am making myself understood and that I am getting what I paid for and exactly what I paid for. I'd rather buy the components and build it myself. -----Original Message----- From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:21 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Onboard serial ports Right but if you buy your own motherboard, then you have to put it together yourself. A lot of people aren't up to that. And if you buy a machine or even have one built for you in a shop, their mobos might not have an exposed serial port or even the header block. The shop is probably buying the cheapest mobos they can and they might not have a serial port header block. Personally, I don't buy a server class mobo when I build. I buy a workstation mobo with the header block and use an adapter to bring it out to the case. It doesn't cost any extra to do that any more because I just salvage the adapter from an old machine when I build a new one. Another thing I'd recommend is going to a used computer store and buying a slightly older high-end machine. The Dell workstations we buy for the University of Wisconsin all still come with serial ports exposed on the back. You can get a dual-core machine at the University's used computer store for $100 and it'll run linux/orca just fine. Before I started shopping at the University's used computer store, I used to shop at this place where I'd leave them a note with specifications on the machine I wanted and they'd call me when a machine matching my specs came in. They were always happy to do that. On 05/16/13 04:17, Tony Baechler wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Well, I guess I'm just lucky. I found a motherboard with a serial > port right off the bat on Amazon last August. I just searched for > server motherboard with serial port and it came right up. I didn't > look at any pdf files. Sure enough, it has a normal, regular serial > port which worked fine when I did my Debian install. I really don't > get why there seems to be so much trouble finding such a thing. As I said, maybe I'm just lucky. > I've found that the dedicated computer sites are useless. I had > much better luck with Amazon. I wouldn't bother with the shops, but I'm lazy. > > On 5/15/2013 6:38 PM, Mitchell D. Lynn wrote: >> The shops I visited had systems built with those boards, and we >> checked CMOS to see if they were listed there as well as in manuals. >> They also looked at the board, and nothing indicated there were >> serial connections at all. It's something I will keep in mind in the future. >> Usually buy my stuff online; looks like I will again have to face >> those odious PDF files. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRlKRBAAoJEPrAuJWnLe0yt6UP/0PaKocA8VF2AvGlv3ZQUn7W > qeZSDTrB6x3L4mAA3NeB4+7xLR+nuM3UJRk0cC6qvLk29G430lJ8Nw1K3NPyEMvW > /4Gnd8jslsmKHPTnAGWCdBFMqKJt4DINXbxcRKUlWhtjseukJFIqJ5BK9ID2ojJL > suG8FYxY8mYeIl7GemolZDQOVgt/4Nb3/pd+gvKp8hyPxH/qOCXA7/R5BQKQXINw > iyqyHM2PgHTk5/fmcykYV0QaIDtJTSrSRUXrDptnwGudssejrA3/09wjbVbCOWdP > 8RghwN5f/7QoBVT8AG4sMvWgG0BJ/kEf1Q3uK7gW8VawyAdgeqLxmcF9+Epd3Kha > ku+sX73iAPbGdMME3Is97d/8c0SLa64vXON5GEaj1r3aVliTavlk1pjAekF7czum > rhXPD06VVDZcG7pI2fA0irU5UDqXBAUm0Yh2pT4P+/8JE2uZdiIOozdWG8bJyrfp > wRKLmQdk3E72XAUUDMVFS8EAZgRCNtY2EtHNAruJflTc3diF2DeWRRFn3IqL/1Kt > 4ZflgMELNsJIufWUdoAbb9clYiE/VZbZ6RBuvbbjph+Ys4SUDdgKqrWQectdeElX > DiClVAQR34bNyaphFplaq3rQDvHgZLYlQHkumvkIF76hNTW53bATanVU93mCPSiP > Q9xq98re0F5dF/0dfBkQ > =OdzS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- --- John G. 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