From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA310B8B for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [78.16.81.204] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K1Tb1-0006VI-Mo for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Wed, 28 May 2008 22:54:12 +0100 Subject: RE: installation of suse linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:54:20 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 In-Reply-To: <14235B30A0EE47C09B31F44B404008AE@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: installation of suse linux thread-index: AcjBA9RDSL3rMo1gQRKGhT0aN1zIZAACM2kA References: <2814159C-1896-40B8-B30E-F4CF46C65FE4@verizon.net><001701c8c0fe$47a6d080$0300a8c0@evelina> <14235B30A0EE47C09B31F44B404008AE@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:54:30 -0000 Hay again Cody,=20 Yes. SBL will work after OpenSuSE, Sles and Sled are installed. =20 Yast in my opinion is one of the best tools out there for an admin. Ok. = You have much more power over things when your using the conf files = directly but because you have most options available depending on the = package your using and the availability of a yast administration module, = you can get in and make changes very quickly. I know from experience = that this is a great way to get things up and running very quickly. I'm = taking part in the build of a new Domino server at the moment and I = would be lost without Yast. It would simply take me too long to get = around every configuration file to make the simple changes. With yast, I = just go down to system services, tab across, go down tothe one I want = and start configuring.=20 Granted, accessibility is not great but it's constantly improving. = Although I think Novell have a lot to do, lets not completely discredit = them. After all, their trying and this is obvious with every release. =20 All be it, hard to see sometimes.=20 Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > Sent: 28 May 2008 21:46 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >=20 > Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so > I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of > its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year > because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky > package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never to > use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about > accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware > course. >=20 > HTH > Cody > On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: >=20 > > Hello! > > What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these > days? > > I've not tried it for a long time. > > /Kristoffer > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" > > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM > > Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > > > > > >> Hey Darragh, > >> > >> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and > >> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am > >> not having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 > >> days until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be > >> renting a braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not > >> detected automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to > >> seek more information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just > >> have had no luck with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful > >> much either, but now I will email marco to see if he can be of > >> some use in my findings. I am not a programmer but I certainly > >> envy those who are. Math has never been my strong point so I will > >> try to use what I have available to me. If you know, will sbl work > >> even after suse is installed? > >> > >> Thanks for all help > >> Cody > >> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: > >> > >>> Hay Cody, > >>> > >>> There's a few questions to get to there. > >>> > >>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is > >>> managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille > >>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a > >>> lot of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the > >>> easiest thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, > >>> but the documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists > >>> at all! This is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons > >>> for this were outlined in my previous mail. > >>> > >>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or > >>> their variants. However, have written some instructions for > >>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at > www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp > >>> Look for the link on that page somewhere. > >>> > >>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work > >>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however > >>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You > >>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and > >>> contact him directly. He's always very helpful. There's is also > >>> an SBL mailing list but it's very low traffic. > >>> > >>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of > >>> discussion lists there. > >>> > >>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active > >>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version > >>> 11 I think his email address is suserocks@bryen.com or > bryen@suserocks.com > >>> or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you > >>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running > >>> out the door to work. > >>> > >>> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go > >>> through an installation and write them out for you. I should get > >>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you. > >>> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the > >>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, > >>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember > >>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then > >>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior > >>> screens. > >>> > >>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead > >>> I try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. > >>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it > >>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the > >>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available. > >>> > >>> Make sense? > >>> > >>> > >>> Darragh > >>> www.digitaldarragh.com > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > >>>> bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > >>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 > >>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > >>>> > >>>> Darragh, > >>>> > >>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I > >>>> will > >>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use > >>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you > >>>> would, and > >>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of > >>>> what > >>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot > >>>> commands, > >>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I > will > >>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on > a > >>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next = year. > >>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its > >>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. > >>>> I am > >>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course > >>>> wasn't > >>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other > >>>> foundations > >>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water > >>>> into > >>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility = soon. > >>>> > >>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world > >>>> blinux > >>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or > >>>> use it? > >>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once > >>>> goten > >>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have > >>>> no > >>>> gotten any responses. > >>>> > >>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this > >>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these > >>>> issues. > >>>> > >>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch > >>>> with him. > >>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Cody, > >>>>> > >>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of > >>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. > >>>>> > >>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the > >>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and > >>>>> even > >>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because > >>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just > don't > >>>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing > >>>>> they > >>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full > >>>>> time. > >>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent = developer. > >>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so > his > >>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result. > >>>>> > >>>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses > >>>>> versions. > >>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based > version > >>>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different > >>>>> controls for it to handle. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and > >>>>> bounds > >>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in > >>>>> 10.3 > >>>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was > not > >>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in > >>>>> it > >>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been = fixed > >>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have = been > >>>>> pushed forward to 11. > >>>>> > >>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of > the > >>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although > I'm > >>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of > >>>>> problems. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Darragh > >>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com > >>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > >>>>>> bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > >>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 > >>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hello list, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, > towards > >>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing = the > >>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd > >>>>>> set he > >>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were = loading > >>>>>> braille modules. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and > when > >>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only > >>>>>> option > >>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be > >>>>>> included > >>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not > >>>>>> be just > >>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS > >>>>>> in the > >>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these > >>>> individuals. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can = do > >>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cody > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Speakup mailing list > >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20