From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556F510B47 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 01:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 213-202-148-212.bas502.dsl.esat.net ([213.202.148.212] helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K1EOg-0007O1-J9 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:40:26 +0100 Subject: RE: installation of suse linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:40:32 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: installation of suse linux thread-index: AcjAPuC3/gxxnmwpSx6BnSCGwMiRzwARQE7g References: From: "Darragh" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 05:40:32 -0000 Hay Cody,=20 There's a few questions to get to there.=20 Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is managed = by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille however he's done = some good work on incorporating speech into a lot of the SBL functions = however getting it installed isn't the easiest thing in theworld to do. = Wll, not that it's difficult, but the documentation is very hard to come = by if it even exists at all! This is certainly no reflection on Marco = and the reasons for this were outlined in my previous mail.=20 Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or their = variants. However, have written some instructions for getting Speakup = compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp = Look for the link on that page somewhere.=20 If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work very = nicely for you right from the start of installation however you'll need = to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You could also search = for contact details for Marco Scambrax and contact him directly. He's = always very helpful. There's is also an SBL mailing list but it's very = low traffic. =20 Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of discussion = lists there. =20 Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active around = the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version 11 I think = his email address is suserocks@bryen.com or bryen@suserocks.com or = something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you out there. = Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running out the door to = work.=20 Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go through an = installation and write them out for you. I should get time in a week or = two if that's ok for you.=20 It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the first = option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, the third is = start install with safe options and I cant remember what the rest ar. = Go down one to start install, press enter then try using the alt and alt = b buttons to move to the next and prior screens. =20 I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead I try = to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. =20 I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it instead = of finding something to do that is possible with the limitations of the = assistive technology I have available.=20 Make sense?=20 Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >=20 > Darragh, >=20 > I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I will > guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use > enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you would, and > i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of what > I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot commands, > key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will > need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a > real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year. > I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its > techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. I am > going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course wasn't > pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other foundations > and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water into > wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon. >=20 > Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world blinux > is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or use it? > I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once goten > a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have no > gotten any responses. >=20 > However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this > information, since you would know more than I have, which these = issues. >=20 > If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? >=20 > Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch with him. > On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: >=20 > > Cody, > > > > The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of > > OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. > > > > When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the > > accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and even > > in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because > > although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't > > have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing they > > have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full time. > > Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer. > > He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his > > efferts do not reflect the end result. > > > > There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses versions. > > Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version > > but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different > > controls for it to handle. > > > > In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and bounds > > over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in 10.3 > > however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was not > > tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in it > > that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been fixed > > and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been > > pushed forward to 11. > > > > Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the > > first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm > > optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of > > problems. > > > > > > Sorry I cant be more positive. > > > > > > > > Darragh > > www.digitaldarragh.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > >> bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > >> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 > >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >> Subject: installation of suse linux > >> > >> Hello list, > >> > >> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards > >> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the > >> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd set he > >> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading > >> braille modules. > >> > >> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when > >> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only = option > >> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be included > >> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not be = just > >> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS in = the > >> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these > individuals. > >> > >> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do > >> otherwise if this is not possible. > >> > >> Cody > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20