From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au (smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au [203.161.124.51]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE48310ABD for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5020DC437C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:50:57 +0800 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au Received: from smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dw9IBhycGo7I for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:50:55 +0800 (WST) Received: from gotss1.gotss.net (203.161.101.89.static.amnet.net.au [203.161.101.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787A2C437F for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:50:55 +0800 (WST) Received: from bouncy.gotss.net ([192.168.24.37] helo=bouncy) by gotss1.gotss.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KoaBZ-0006Es-Kz for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:50:53 +0800 Message-ID: From: "Kerry Hoath" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <20081009234009.GA2170@lnx3.holmesgrown.com><20081010142155.GA6339@gmx.net> <20081011084227.GA21623@pillow.holmesgrown.com> Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:50:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:50:15 -0000 Basically the reason grub won't do what you want right now is because you are not used to it. Lilo hard codes the boot locations of the kernel and initial ram disk into a block list which breaks every time you rebuild an initrd or recompile or move the kernel. Grub can read file systems, and you can fix it when the boot loader scrambles unlike lilo which just goes lililililililililili You can put lilo on and move to grub once you know how to make it go beep, how to make it spit its output through a serial port etc if you so choose. you probably wanted the options speakup_synth=xxxxx debconf/priority=low so it would ask you which boot loader to install; alternatively set the priority to low on the main menu. Regards, Kerry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Yeah, I got past that now. I did it by pressing down arrow once followed by tab and then typed speakup.synth=spkout. That part worked. I am having a hang-up right now as grub is the default loader and after the install finished, I was forced to reboot. First of all, I don't know how to interract with grub and over-ride kernel parameters; but worse yet, my machine at the moment won't boot into anything!!!. I have an existing windows partition on the first disk and am I'm installing linux on the second disk. Apparently, grub did not configure this properly. It's like windows is trying to boot strait away and grub never comes up at all. I'm now sitting here waiting to errase the entire linux partition so I can start over with Debian and maybe I can get the thing to skip grub and install lilo instead. I know lilo from my Slackware days and I know it is capable of booting on one drive and dual booting for both windows and linux. Plus I can make lilo talk at the beginning. Grub looks to o convoluted to me as a first impression.