From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.84]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1I0729-0001Kc-00 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:32:01 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.18]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:31:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.111.96.206 by BAY141-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:31:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.111.96.206] X-Originating-Email: [z_kline@hotmail.com] X-Sender: z_kline@hotmail.com From: "Zachary Kline" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <20070617200022.GA16786@linux1><1182118939.3634.15.camel@layla.Mshome> <74411A17-AC9D-4C60-BB01-9695456D3126@softcon.com> Subject: Re: gentoo dropping speakup support Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:30:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2007 02:31:30.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[C76D0820:01C7B150] X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:32:01 -0000 Hello, I agree. It is simply not going to work if it is forced into user space. The fact I have a supported hardware synthesizer means that I'm able to read everything as it comes up, debug things that don't, etc. I couldn't go back to even software speech, because with software speech you don't get that, and the reason is user space. Speech-dispatcher and speechd-up and such are userspace programs, and so if the machine doesn't get to a point where they can launch we're dead in the water. I for one am going to be attending a university in the fall, and don't look forward to having to ask a sighted person to tell me what the kernel panic says or how the FSCK is coming. Please, if possible reconsider this decision. It is extremely unproductive in the longterm. Any problems Speakup may have building with 2.6.22 will be fixed in due course. Thank you, Zachary Kline. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: Re: gentoo dropping speakup support >I have to strongly disagree here as relates to bootable messages. > Speakup makes linux the *only* os where blind users can see the boot > up as it happens. Even dos can't do that, and I have more than once > managed to fix a machine with linux because of the speakup capability > to speak *all* bootup messages. Dumping them to a logfile, booting > with a live cd, then reading the log may work for users who are > advanced enough to figure it out, (or are lucky enough to have simple > enough configurations this can be done) but by doing so, you're > basically saying that those who want to troubleshoot their own boxes > w/o sighted assistance are sol. > And, if the hd is bad, then your logging isn't going to work anyhow. > Not to mention, this isn't a process that can be done w/o sighted > assistance. > While I'm more of a slackware user than anything else, having speakup > work out of the box is something I've enjoyed almost since speakup > was released, and I for one would be extremely sorry (not to mention > irritated at the lack of access it would mean) to have it removed > into user space. There's already programs for user space access > (yasr anyone) and while those work for normal usage, they aren't > usable for troubleshooting and/or fixing a broken machine. I've been > doing my own technical support since 1990 (or thereabouts) and having > this capability now removed would be the equivalent of moving to > vista before any screen readers were specifically targeted to it. > Sure, you could use the system, but you're not going to get anywhere > near the full use out of your system you'd otherwise get. > > I don't have a 64-bit machine, so can't help fix this problem, nor > are my C skills up to the task (likely) but I'd strongly urge those > with the capability, to *not* abandon speakup working as it does now. > I will of course help where I can, but yanking it entirely out of the > boot sequence is just asking for additional problems. > Don't do it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >