From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.172]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HzeS8-0007oh-00 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:00:56 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.26]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:00:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.111.96.206 by BAY141-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:00:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.111.96.206] X-Originating-Email: [z_kline@hotmail.com] X-Sender: z_kline@hotmail.com From: "Zachary Kline" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <008001c7b054$a3fa9bc0$ab00a8c0@tenstac> Subject: Re: My perspective on the console Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:00:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2007 20:00:25.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA89DE00:01C7B050] X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:00:56 -0000 Hello, Well, I personally like the Bash cryptic commands to some extent, and traditional Unix commands have been around for years. But I can see your point. As for a shell buffer, I find Emacspeak to be very useful in that regard--as well as being a very nice bit of software in general. It's definitely not for everybody, though. I also love the console for the opertunities it provides for gaming under Linux--yes, I admit it, I do that sometimes. Nethack, Adom, and the other Roguelike games work horribly under Windows, but with Speakup's ability to track the cursor and do so character by character and vertically as well as horizontally, they work quite well. I have yet to see a graphical (or audio, for that matter) game for Linux which will work as well. Yours, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sutherland" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: My perspective on the console > Zach, > > What I have been thinking for some years now is that what is > needed is better command line based shells with less cryptic > commands built out the more cryptic, with some emphasis on > speech modality, like ability to have the whole interaction in > a buffer that can be navigated forwards and backwards, by > screens or pages at a time, or by many other configurable > means. So yes, I agree, the current command line tools are > super powerful but not easy to use, and much work needs to > be done there. Basically we need something other than bash > as the shell, with different ideas as to how command line > should be interpreted, managed, and configured, and then > better applications to run in such an environment. > > I hope to work towards this some day, but I am starting > on a lower level trying to tackle how to get linux into the > pocket so its not chained to your desk. > > -- Doug > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >