From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4B0F01EF7C6; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com (mail-oi0-f41.google.com [209.85.218.41]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AB5C1EF7B7 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id u20so3316778oif.14 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:reply-to:to:references:subject :date:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SJAFKBG7+LZoW7HYTTTET9PoSEhY29PSO5RxAnG7NVQ=; b=hS65K8eaf+8/2WrIVN47zLTeVsG09/nnCNDdwEP5GIpRAcg44kBuioJdQ/8V30M0s6 NTiwIEdozV+eymnB8sny7Rt+NX5Z1hWC2uWFT0bCh3qi6qG6a7zlL/NdWLW83nE1Z01s dkIWfV6q79If8+DZ2d0USdiLUsb6RVFgoNfQbr4VnflvPN3Sf/oluhGztoB3I3DfMNVz Wbg8EotpEBlisHn6dZDIFpA+Z2aK6wHiAKRAOnE1W+r4N5SIbT6fPpdKBTzLPgIlCpEF UHOIdtnaS6YJ+fj4kq5MMAMFfMSo9j1L0z4HVIK6JQHV6pqrJn3WwTeg5scJg8QfBNVn sEnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkCO0mxqSZiuVwFJoQ3/i88KiBuDHIhfRYIv3+GAYM27VvUimLRkwydn+pRCfytEaZhndQX X-Received: by 10.182.60.98 with SMTP id g2mr24533516obr.6.1412869788540; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your2c061f0461 (184-155-1-210.cpe.cableone.net. [184.155.1.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b4sm3782401oed.2.2014.10.09.08.49.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn X-Google-Original-From: "Glenn" Message-ID: <9BB45DB8ACB5452BB988DBFEE96594BB@your2c061f0461> Reply-To: "Glenn" To: , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <20141009125200.GI1044@opera.rednote.net> <86ppe1gyed.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <543691D1.9050000@tysdomain.com> <543693B5.9060601@tysdomain.com> <5436A145.30001@verizon.net> <478C3EC865774707826A4B0E156AE72B@your2c061f0461> <5436AA7E.7030808@raspberryvi.org> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:49:25 -0500 Organization: home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:49:51 -0000 I do a little of that. I do know a little, enough to know what is possible. I studied and got a HAM license a long time ago. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ray" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:32 AM Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story Get your soldering iron out then Glenn :-p On 09/10/2014 16:28, Glenn wrote: > What we need is a piece of hardware that does OCR directly from the video > port. > It seems like that would be a relatively easy device to produce, given > what > we have these days. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Sten-Clanton" > To: ; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story > > > First, I thank Janina for raising certain issues better than I could. > (I also thank others who've made valuable points from different angles.) > > Second, where is the equivalent code for kicking in the monitor when we > boot up? Shouldn't the aim be to treat our access technology in the > same or an equivalent way, to the degree possible? > > Al > > On 10/09/2014 09:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> I also wanted to point out that most companies and organizations are a >> bit weird about installing anything. The fact that Speakup is in the >> kernel, but the entire idea of installing a special program which >> they're not sure of, be it screen reader or magnification bothers most >> people, so this isn't just an issue of Speakup possibly being better. >> There are reasons and there obviously is a need for speakup to get >> better, perhaps that means coming out of kernel space. But a sad story >> from once upon a time with a moral unrelated is not quite the point. >> On 10/9/2014 9:46 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>> This whole story sounds like it needs another couple of bears to make >>> it all interesting. So speakup crashed the kernel. I've had issues, >>> but apart from known bugs I've never seen speakup panic the kernel all >>> the time. Speakup caused a system to crash? Perhaps. People should >>> also backup their work. >>> On 10/9/2014 9:34 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>>> Janina, >>>> >>>> speakup was the cause because when bossman came down to hook up a >>>> monitor and look, the panick messages had something to do with speakup. >>>> >>>> As for backing up their work, they were trying to fix their fuck-up to >>>> begin with. The initial problem wasn't with speakup. However when i was >>>> helping them debug it, speakup made the kernel panick and crash. >>>> >>>> Debian i dont think likes people with root access on their box to begin >>>> with, but i think they kind of didn't like speakup in their kernel to >>>> begin with. >>>> >>>> I suspect on the other hand that if speakup was a user-space app, it >>>> wouldn't have mattered to them so much. If a userspace program crashes >>>> it doesn't take down the whole box. When speakup does though, it takes >>>> down the whole box. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Michael A. Ray Analyst/Programmer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK The box said: 'install Windows XP, 7 or better'. So I installed Linux Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi? Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ >>From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup