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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:15:59 -0000 I have used TextDetective on my iPhone to OCR a computer monitor a number of times. Not as good of results as it would be from paper, but often enough to know what screen is displayed. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ray" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story The Windows screen-reader NVDA has OCR built in. It uses Tesseract to OCR the screen. On 09/10/2014 16:53, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Could probably be done with an arduino board. OCR is no easy deal > though. There's a reason why companies invest millions. You could hack > something together, however. This only really works on console screens > and console screens that don't use ncurses or something similar. > Otherwise there would have to be some kind of driver or something to > help parse out text that needs to be handled. e.g: do you just OCR an > entire screen taskbar and all on gnome? > > On 10/9/2014 11:49 AM, Glenn wrote: >> I do a little of that. >> I do know a little, enough to know what is possible. >> I studied and got a HAM license a long time ago. >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Ray" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:32 AM >> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story >> >> >> >> Get your soldering iron out then Glenn :-p >> >> >> >> On 09/10/2014 16:28, Glenn wrote: >>> What we need is a piece of hardware that does OCR directly from the >>> video >>> port. >>> It seems like that would be a relatively easy device to produce, given >>> what >>> we have these days. >>> Glenn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Al Sten-Clanton" >>> To: ; "Speakup is a screen review system for >>> Linux." >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story >>> >>> >>> First, I thank Janina for raising certain issues better than I could. >>> (I also thank others who've made valuable points from different angles.) >>> >>> Second, where is the equivalent code for kicking in the monitor when we >>> boot up? Shouldn't the aim be to treat our access technology in the >>> same or an equivalent way, to the degree possible? >>> >>> Al >>> >>> On 10/09/2014 09:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>> I also wanted to point out that most companies and organizations are a >>>> bit weird about installing anything. The fact that Speakup is in the >>>> kernel, but the entire idea of installing a special program which >>>> they're not sure of, be it screen reader or magnification bothers most >>>> people, so this isn't just an issue of Speakup possibly being better. >>>> There are reasons and there obviously is a need for speakup to get >>>> better, perhaps that means coming out of kernel space. But a sad story >>>> from once upon a time with a moral unrelated is not quite the point. >>>> On 10/9/2014 9:46 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>> This whole story sounds like it needs another couple of bears to make >>>>> it all interesting. So speakup crashed the kernel. I've had issues, >>>>> but apart from known bugs I've never seen speakup panic the kernel all >>>>> the time. Speakup caused a system to crash? Perhaps. People should >>>>> also backup their work. >>>>> On 10/9/2014 9:34 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>>>>> Janina, >>>>>> >>>>>> speakup was the cause because when bossman came down to hook up a >>>>>> monitor and look, the panick messages had something to do with >>>>>> speakup. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for backing up their work, they were trying to fix their >>>>>> fuck-up to >>>>>> begin with. The initial problem wasn't with speakup. However when >>>>>> i was >>>>>> helping them debug it, speakup made the kernel panick and crash. >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian i dont think likes people with root access on their box to >>>>>> begin >>>>>> with, but i think they kind of didn't like speakup in their kernel to >>>>>> begin with. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect on the other hand that if speakup was a user-space app, it >>>>>> wouldn't have mattered to them so much. If a userspace program >>>>>> crashes >>>>>> it doesn't take down the whole box. When speakup does though, it >>>>>> takes >>>>>> down the whole box. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> > > -- Michael A. Ray Analyst/Programmer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK The box said: 'install Windows XP, 7 or better'. So I installed Linux Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi? Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ >>From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup