From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ETpKT-0000gC-00 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:32:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown[68.49.11.69](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005102323154901400sksfre>; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:15:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D214826-6FEA-4EE8-8535-CFA5CF5A3E68@handsontechnologeyes.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Poehlman Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:15:44 -0400 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Subject: Re: off topic: accessibility with mac stuff? X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:32:47 -0000 As a voice over user, I must partially take exception with this post. It is the app developpers who will need to make their apps work with voice over. Voice over is far from primitive. You can for instance run pine and lynx on it quite nicely as well as pico and other linux/unix apps. Don't under estimate it. More third party apps are coming on board all the time. -- Jonnie Apple Seed With his: Hands-On Technolog(eye)s On Oct 23, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Jane Lee wrote: hey deedra, Apple was beta testing VoiceOver before tiger came out. Since nobody really did anything to make OS X accessible, having given up at the small user base, Apple decided to take matters into their own hands. IMO, the accessibility features in OS X are fantastic, but only because there's nothing to compare it to - a little is better than nothing. A lot of the features like magnification work well, but VoiceOver is still clearly beta and limited and is not all too great if you're using a non-Apple application. However, it's most definately more usable than Microsoft Narrator and the likes. Apple's Accessibility team did a good job with starting, here's to hoping they make it more advanced and less buggy than it is right now. Cheers j _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup