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[76.220.194.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q1sm4145611pbq.68.2012.03.01.22.24.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:24:46 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: LaTeX and big writing projects From: Justin Harford In-Reply-To: <4F5047E7.3070708@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:31:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <71CD7A78-E4B0-4898-8C95-A0E1841D1BB4@gmail.com> References: <29495B53-8B34-440D-BCB5-9DAE24160F7A@brannan.name> <15AFCCF03C36474F84423057918A7A38@angelomube38f8> <4F42F4F1.9090504@tysdomain.com> <4F500A7B.1080301@gmail.com> <4F501076.6000104@earthlink.net> <3D3B0793-BACA-44AE-8B91-8A1CA1564F8E@gmail.com> <4F5047E7.3070708@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:24:48 -0000 Howdy=20 Yeah you know what you should do is just look up an intro to latex = tutorial, and follow what it tells you to do. Of course you first must = have installed a distribution like texlive with a graphical front end or = a texteditor like emacs. But tstart with "hello world" so to speak, and = just slowly move up from there. The key difficulty that I found was = compiling and troubleshooting errors, so make sure that you try to do a = lot of that. Justin=20 On 01-03-2012, at 20:09, Robert cole wrote: > Thanks for the replies, Liz and Justin. >=20 > I came across a free LaTeX book [1] at Wikibooks [2]. The book is = evidently a featured book there due to its good content and formatting. = It is downloadable as a PDF as well as it is readable online. I have not = read through it yet, but it looks to be a 295 page book. Here is a brief = description of the book from its main Wikibooks page: >=20 > This is a guide to the *LaTeX* markup language. It is intended that = this can serve as a useful resource for everyone from new users who wish = to learn, to old hands who need a quick reference. >=20 > I am going to search for tutorials as well, and hopefully I can just = print them to PDF. My Internet connection, though fast as it is, can be = slightly flaky sometimes, so I like to have materials on-hand. >=20 > I plan to possibly start reading this book after I finish the current = book which I am reading. I actually have a book which I began writing = while I was still using windows (it was a fictional novel), and I may = just port it over and redo it using LaTeX. I stopped writing it sometime = back in 2004...I hope to pick it up and finish it one day. >=20 > Once again, thanks for the replies. >=20 > Take care, everyone. >=20 > [1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX > [2] http://www.wikibooks.org/ >=20 > On 03/01/2012 06:51 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >> I learned LaTeX back in 2006 by reading on the internet. I also took = a semester class in 2007, but I mostly learned from the online = tutorials. >> On 01-03-2012, at 16:12, Liz Hare wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Robert, >>>=20 >>> I'm not Jason, but I wrote my dissertation in LaTex 14 years ago. = Back then, I had someone read me the print books that had been written = on the subject. I'm not sure what resources are out there now, but I bet = there is a lot of online documentation. It's also helpful to look at the = .tex files for documents others have written that have similar features = to those you want. >>>=20 >>> It was great. I had way more control of the formatting and tables = than I ever could have had with a word processor. I think if you are = taking on a project like writing a thesis or a book, it's definitely = worthwhile. >>>=20 >>> The disappointing part was that once I finished the degree and made = it out into the real world (working in the life sciences), I couldn't = use it much. Journal articles had to be submitted in Word. I didn't have = any coworkers who knew LaTeX and so many documents, like grant = applications, had to be in word processing files. If I had the = opportunity to work on a large writing project now, I'd have a lot to = re-learn, and things have probably also changed a lot since then. But I = still use the notation from LaTeX to communicate with sighted people = about equations. >>>=20 >>> Liz >>>=20 >>> Liz Hare PhD >>> Dog Genetics LLC >>> doggene@earthlink.net >>> http://www.doggenetics.com >>>=20 >>> On 3/1/2012 6:47 PM, Robert cole wrote: >>>> Jason, >>>>=20 >>>> Sorry to divert this, but I have read about you writing your thesis >>>> using LaTeX on the Orca list in the past. I was always curious and >>>> wanted to ask you what resources you used to learn LaTeX. I've been >>>> working to learn both vi and Emacs, and I think I would rather use = LaTeX >>>> than a GUI word processor for different projects. >>>>=20 >>>> As far as the Raspberry Pi goes, I am definitely planning on = getting one >>>> (or more, if possible) when they are offered with cases. It is so >>>> wonderful to see all of these nice flashy Linux systems coming out. >>>>=20 >>>> Although the price is out of range for me right now, I'd like to = get my >>>> hands on a KDE Plasma Active powered Spark tablet [1] one of these = days. >>>> this looks like a very promising device, especially as KDE is = seeming to >>>> become more accessible thanks to QT-AT-SPI, Orca, and all of the = other >>>> projects which are being developed. This is definitely getting = exciting! >>>>=20 >>>> Take care, and my apologies for my diversion from the original = topic. >>>>=20 >>>> [1] http://makeplaylive.com/ >>>>=20 >>>> On 03/01/2012 03:17 PM, Jason White wrote: >>>>> Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>>> emacs. I love it, especially with emacspeak. >>>>> And to be more specific, AucTeX mode for anything complicated and >>>>> Org-mode for >>>>> notes and other simple documents. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I wrote my thesis in Emacs, with BRLTTY operating the braille = display and >>>>> emacspeak for speech output, and, of course, Git for revision = control >>>>> of the >>>>> files. TeX gives better typeset output, reputedly, than popular = word >>>>> processors and you can use a good text editor such as Emacs for = input. >>>>> I've >>>>> been using LaTeX instead of a word processor since 1998, so there = was >>>>> no doubt >>>>> as to what tool to use when it came to writing my thesis. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup