From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55CE61EF6BB for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id k11so509314iea.10 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 06:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-mailer :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=zhx/LutWcfVAgBuxiyd847rUPOg7XIMHTdX0sr+wRM8=; b=KiXBJ2/PHOvzAlo7KIDOyqT3TTmPTY4PIs89L4vOtoZSc35mVMAkMMLI2jJ4bSLqvh d5OfWU3LitWalveVY1iJtstMDD6tkZ4e48K9rZ7HknZltzfpA/hIwBjC+WzRsPO8V0KF cNK74j12sswz1dwkELcXhrvoBH2TJMIuFdpcu7wB+i7X2Ecqzj75T67vTbWZ1UdFTWxb 6sIAhh6aoB+JbB3opzGhduMgcikO7YFP8gi0eer4jEequJzFTw7mI1RMK0azI0/Vpg89 lrb4Y6NH9WeZgSgouiqArhYkpt6W8NT43m2VpUM8Id5wcnotr0CIdpa74MAATqXWbqD2 tf7A== X-Received: by 10.50.141.201 with SMTP id rq9mr1616934igb.33.1364563717700; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 06:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Rush References: <963B334B-76C6-494B-B10E-2EEC4631AE1C@gmail.com> <51556090.1040601@baechler.net> <3fb1fb569c54fd8aa7873fa5710d0851@mail.gmail.com> <8CC380E051BF4F588609EBA45EB325FB@user89ba4c8c7a> In-Reply-To: <8CC380E051BF4F588609EBA45EB325FB@user89ba4c8c7a> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQLyjPEF9C7xBi5W5lnB1D/56PzEHgJX/u4gAVS40asBrs4MLwLtQZXGljGh1ZA= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: <6a489de741076b12af652e25fd5b4f11@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm/LlSuvkpGe4ulb22gbden9eNthCT1LgLo9xqYIOcyzLzxTvi4bWNhqZ+CDq2kqP0UOALD X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:28:42 -0000 I'm not sure about that. As long as nothing else has to be added to the VM in order to make it work, maybe. But I don't know as that was the one thing I didn't try. And that would be fine when it came to all the CLI stuff, which admittedly is most of it, but there are also some graphic elements. Printing, for one. -----Original Message----- From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:07 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2 Will brltty work on it? This is nuts! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Rush" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:58 AM Subject: RE: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2 > Hi all, > > Red Hat will not allow you to compile Speakup into the RHEL kernel. Also, > if you're certifying for RHEL6.2 or any of the other RHEL versions, you're > expected to specifically use that distro. Also, they will not allow you to > bring in your own system and SSH into one of their boxes to do the > certification. As of this point, there is a VM you have to use that is > provided by Red Hat that you have to use to complete the cert, as well as > one for going through the curriculum, and speakup is definitely not part > of it. I tried getting speakup to compile on both of these, and was > unsuccessful. And in order to complete the curriculum for the cert, there > are scripts that have to run on your VM so that Red Hat's servers can > grade your labs. You could try accessing the grading pages via SSH, but > you're going to have to use Elinks to do it, and Elinks doesn't play well > with their grading page. > > I'd like to say Red Hat is just apathetic to accessibility concerns, or > that they just don't know any better, but given that they pretty much are > actively discouraging anyone who needs to use adaptive technology by > taking all these steps, I'm not so sure. I think the quickest solution > will be to talk to your employer and see if you can maybe demonstrate that > you can complete the tasks on the certification, and see if that would > suffice for your not having the cert. I wish you the best of luck. And > yes, if we could get one of the advocacy orgs on board and sue Red Hat, > that would be great. But it would be nice if they didn't settle, because > if it doesn't go to court, there's no legal precedence when this comes up > with another organization, (Cisco) and then the wheel has > to be reinvented all over again. > > Amanda > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Tony > Baechler > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:36 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2 > > Jason, Red Hat has made it very clear that they have no interest in > accessibility, so I highly doubt that just contacting them would do any > good. I say this from looking at their sites and finding nothing at all > about accessibility. They don't even ship Speakup with RHEL as far as I'm > aware, but since it's in staging, maybe they do now. As I recall, 6.2 is > rather old and uses a custom kernel with a large set of patches, so I > don't think you'll get Speakup to compile. You could try compiling as > modules and see if it works, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I think the > same applies to CentOS as well. I'm not sure about Fedora. > > I don't know if Australia has any kind of accessibility laws, but I know > the US and UK do. Probably someone in the US would have to ask Red Hat to > make an accessible solution available which they would probably refuse to > do. It would then have to go to lawyers to settle. It might not end up > in a suit, but it very well might. Most likely, an advocacy organization > like the ACB or NFB would have to push Red Hat and it could take years. > Obviously, that won't help with the immediate problem. By law, they are > required to provide an accessibility solution for you. Since you're in > Australia, I really don't know if any of this would apply to you or not. > I would suggest asking if you can do the certification with ssh to the > RHEL box. There are ssh clients for Linux and Windows, so one way or the > other, you could have speech. If they let you bring your own laptop, you > could install Debian, Arch or Ubuntu on it which would give you Speakup. > If not, you could see if they would let you ssh from Windows with NVDA or > a different Windows screen reader. As I said, they're required to provide > an alternative solution in the US, so you might even be able to make them > let you borrow a machine. > > I don't know anything about your work, but a better approach might be to > talk to your employer. Yes, I realize that Red Hat gives the > certification, but your employer might be able to somehow work with Red > Hat and/or let you borrow a machine, especially since the point in getting > it is for work. In the US, employers with more than I think 10 employees > are required to make accomodations as necessary for accessibility. An > example would be buying someone a screen reader so they can do their job. > > In conclusion, I would suggest studying the Americans with Disabilities > Act, or ADA. I really don't know if it will help you, but at least you'll > know what's required by US companies. The ACB has several ADA seminars > from the various conventions online. I'm sure the NFB does as well. I > would suggest the following two sites: > > http://www.acb.org/ > http://www.acbradio.org/ > > I know there is an organization in Australia as well which might be able > to help. Please let us know what happens as I would be very interested to > see what Red Hat says. > > On 3/28/2013 10:16 PM, Jason White wrote: >> Sean Murphy wrote: >>> >>> I am going to prep for the Red Hat Admin certifications. I need to >>> know if what screen reader is available on the console? Speakup you > have to compile into the Kernel. So I am not sure if this can be done or > not. Any suggestions on how to get this console to work? >> >> I don't know, but have you contacted Red Hat about it? It's their >> certification, after all, hence in their business interests to ensure >> it's accessible to you. there might also be legal implications >> depending on the laws in force in your country. >> >> I am sure that others on this list will have advice to offer, but I >> think raising the issue with Red Hat would be a very good idea not >> only for you but for the benefit of others with access needs. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup