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Heim" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn / Lenny , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: finished with slackware References: <20150207085257.GG2032@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:55:53 -0000 I wouldn't go quite that far. I will agree though that the accessibility tools in linux have gotten worse in the last 5 years, not better. This is a disturbing trend. I think things began to fall apart when Oracle bought Sun and got rid of the orca development team. What we should really do is to put together a group to collect grants to pay for orca development. We could include speakup development but I think a single dedicated developer could probably rewrite speakup from scratch in about 6 months. It's a small project compared to the continuing development that orca represents. I'll talk to IAVIT's lawyer about it. On 02/07/2015 08:43 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > You know, I use Ubuntu, and I have become disenchanted with Linux. With > every new release, we have to rebuild accessibility. > Sure it is free, and it is safer and more powerful than Windows, but Windows > is still more accessible than Linux. > I had big hopes for Linux, and I have reached a point now where it is just a > tool in the toolbox, mainly for drive manipulation. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Holmes" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: finished with slackware > > > I hate hearing stuff like this; we have made so much progress over the > years in making Linux accessible and then these things start coming > up. When you can't even boot a basic system with current versions of > installer and kernel, then there is something seriously wrong! > > I grew up on Slackware clear back in 1994 or so. I then had to login > from a different computer running a terminal emulator but that was a > start. > > As for me, I like Arch Linux and there is a current talking image > available. I thought Fedora was currently accessible; no? > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 08:37:32PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> I was trying to install a current version of slackware using the litetalk >> synthesizer earlier. Given slackware's installer kernel is broken, I got >> some remote sighted assistance and was told wait 30 seconds then key in >> boot parameters and that fails persistently insofaras getting speech up. >> So apparently slackware and Fedora have something in common. In both >> cases an installer interested in doing an accessible installation needs to >> find and download an earlier version of the operating systems that did >> install accessibly and use that version to install then upgrade through >> the versions to get to current versions. Moonshine on Fedora worked on >> intel machines in the past and if my memory is correct, maybe slackware >> 11.2 ought to be able to get it done in this case. What I will do now is >> take a stab at getting slackware 11.2 to speak and if that fails as time >> and my download quotas permit will try other versions in the future. This >> is now a low priority back burner project. I was surprised the >> distribution got broken in this way. >> >> >> >> jude Twitter: @JudeDaShiell >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >