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Heim" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story References: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <20141009125200.GI1044@opera.rednote.net> <86ppe1gyed.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <543691D1.9050000@tysdomain.com> <543693B5.9060601@tysdomain.com> <5436A145.30001@verizon.net> <478C3EC865774707826A4B0E156AE72B@your2c061f0461> <5436AA7E.7030808@raspberryvi.org> <9BB45DB8ACB5452BB988DBFEE96594BB@your2c061f0461> <1412911271.3408239.177306073.210519F2@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1412911271.3408239.177306073.210519F2@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:38:50 -0000 It depends on the response time you'd demand. For something like a system rescue, an RP might be adequate. Tesseract takes a long time on high res images but on something like a 80-25 screen capture, it might be acceptable. As I said, I actually had a system that used this concept years ago and it was probably less powerful than a RP is today. It was painfully slow though. Plus, computers like the RP are just going to get faster. By the time you get the software together, the hardware will probably be there. No kidding, back in 1986, I tried to convince my boss that on-line catalog sales via the internet was the wave of the future. She was like, "What, you're going to sell stuff to people with a 300 baud modem?" I said, "Well, they have 300 baud modems now. We'll have to fudge it for a while. But just wait." At the time, AOL was sending out diskettes to connect to AOL and lots of people were sending out their catalogs on diskette. All I wanted to do was to smush the two ideas together. I could have been the creator of Amazon if she'd listened to me. On 10/09/14 22:21, Tom Fowle wrote: > The idea of a stand alone screen reader hardware box with video input is > intreaguing and has > been tried by several folks including Dean Blazie. but that was years > ago. > I suspect actual screen text would be no problem, if perhaps a bit slow, > but > finding focus and defining/dealing with actual graphics could be a real > headache. > > I think you'd need at least two processors, one to do the OCR and the > second > to run the screen reader and speech. Don't guess the Raspbery pi would > have > the "MIPS" for the ocr task. > > BTW, the optacon actually connected to a mac's serial port and you could > read the screen directly with some kind of reader that Berkeley systems > had > as a prototype. the company died before it could be brought to full > operation > > For many years I kept seeing brags about optacon being restarted, but so > far as i know none ever came to reality. > > Tom Fowle > wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014, at 08:49 AM, Glenn wrote: >> I do a little of that. >> I do know a little, enough to know what is possible. >> I studied and got a HAM license a long time ago. >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Ray" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:32 AM >> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story >> >> >> >> Get your soldering iron out then Glenn :-p >> >> >> >> On 09/10/2014 16:28, Glenn wrote: >>> What we need is a piece of hardware that does OCR directly from the video >>> port. >>> It seems like that would be a relatively easy device to produce, given >>> what >>> we have these days. >>> Glenn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Al Sten-Clanton" >>> To: ; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story >>> >>> >>> First, I thank Janina for raising certain issues better than I could. >>> (I also thank others who've made valuable points from different angles.) >>> >>> Second, where is the equivalent code for kicking in the monitor when we >>> boot up? Shouldn't the aim be to treat our access technology in the >>> same or an equivalent way, to the degree possible? >>> >>> Al >>> >>> On 10/09/2014 09:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>> I also wanted to point out that most companies and organizations are a >>>> bit weird about installing anything. The fact that Speakup is in the >>>> kernel, but the entire idea of installing a special program which >>>> they're not sure of, be it screen reader or magnification bothers most >>>> people, so this isn't just an issue of Speakup possibly being better. >>>> There are reasons and there obviously is a need for speakup to get >>>> better, perhaps that means coming out of kernel space. But a sad story >>>> from once upon a time with a moral unrelated is not quite the point. >>>> On 10/9/2014 9:46 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>> This whole story sounds like it needs another couple of bears to make >>>>> it all interesting. So speakup crashed the kernel. I've had issues, >>>>> but apart from known bugs I've never seen speakup panic the kernel all >>>>> the time. Speakup caused a system to crash? Perhaps. People should >>>>> also backup their work. >>>>> On 10/9/2014 9:34 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>>>>> Janina, >>>>>> >>>>>> speakup was the cause because when bossman came down to hook up a >>>>>> monitor and look, the panick messages had something to do with speakup. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for backing up their work, they were trying to fix their fuck-up to >>>>>> begin with. The initial problem wasn't with speakup. However when i was >>>>>> helping them debug it, speakup made the kernel panick and crash. >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian i dont think likes people with root access on their box to begin >>>>>> with, but i think they kind of didn't like speakup in their kernel to >>>>>> begin with. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect on the other hand that if speakup was a user-space app, it >>>>>> wouldn't have mattered to them so much. If a userspace program crashes >>>>>> it doesn't take down the whole box. When speakup does though, it takes >>>>>> down the whole box. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >> -- >> Michael A. Ray >> Analyst/Programmer >> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK >> >> The box said: 'install Windows XP, 7 or better'. So I installed Linux >> >> Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi? >> Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ >> From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >