From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 698021EF825; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgout0503.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0503.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.224]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262DF1EF82D for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:32:17 -0400 (EDT) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090204.5436AA7C.013D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=33/50, refid=2.7.2:2014.10.7.91518:17:33.181, ip=86.140.30.210, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __HAS_REPLYTO, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, CT_TEXT_PLAIN_UTF8_CAPS, __CTE, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ADDY, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ACC, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_DOMAIN, __ANY_URI, __CP_MEDIA_BODY, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __C230066_P2, __OEM_SOFTWARE_1, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __FORWARDED_MSG, BODY_SIZE_3000_3999, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, URI_SNOWNS_NS_NAME[[tysdomain.com]=>[dns3.registrar-servers.com]], SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[210.30.140.86.fur], HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, OEM_SOFTWARE_X1, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from [192.168.0.77] (86.140.30.210) by rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as mike.ray@btinternet.com) id 543311C40067E702 for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 16:32:12 +0100 Message-ID: <5436AA7E.7030808@raspberryvi.org> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:32:14 +0100 From: Mike Ray Reply-To: mike@raspberryvi.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: speakup@linux-speakup.org Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story References: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <20141009125200.GI1044@opera.rednote.net> <86ppe1gyed.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <543691D1.9050000@tysdomain.com> <543693B5.9060601@tysdomain.com> <5436A145.30001@verizon.net> <478C3EC865774707826A4B0E156AE72B@your2c061f0461> In-Reply-To: <478C3EC865774707826A4B0E156AE72B@your2c061f0461> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:32:21 -0000 Get your soldering iron out then Glenn :-p On 09/10/2014 16:28, Glenn wrote: > What we need is a piece of hardware that does OCR directly from the video > port. > It seems like that would be a relatively easy device to produce, given what > we have these days. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Sten-Clanton" > To: ; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story > > > First, I thank Janina for raising certain issues better than I could. > (I also thank others who've made valuable points from different angles.) > > Second, where is the equivalent code for kicking in the monitor when we > boot up? Shouldn't the aim be to treat our access technology in the > same or an equivalent way, to the degree possible? > > Al > > On 10/09/2014 09:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> I also wanted to point out that most companies and organizations are a >> bit weird about installing anything. The fact that Speakup is in the >> kernel, but the entire idea of installing a special program which >> they're not sure of, be it screen reader or magnification bothers most >> people, so this isn't just an issue of Speakup possibly being better. >> There are reasons and there obviously is a need for speakup to get >> better, perhaps that means coming out of kernel space. But a sad story >> from once upon a time with a moral unrelated is not quite the point. >> On 10/9/2014 9:46 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>> This whole story sounds like it needs another couple of bears to make >>> it all interesting. So speakup crashed the kernel. I've had issues, >>> but apart from known bugs I've never seen speakup panic the kernel all >>> the time. Speakup caused a system to crash? Perhaps. People should >>> also backup their work. >>> On 10/9/2014 9:34 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>>> Janina, >>>> >>>> speakup was the cause because when bossman came down to hook up a >>>> monitor and look, the panick messages had something to do with speakup. >>>> >>>> As for backing up their work, they were trying to fix their fuck-up to >>>> begin with. The initial problem wasn't with speakup. However when i was >>>> helping them debug it, speakup made the kernel panick and crash. >>>> >>>> Debian i dont think likes people with root access on their box to begin >>>> with, but i think they kind of didn't like speakup in their kernel to >>>> begin with. >>>> >>>> I suspect on the other hand that if speakup was a user-space app, it >>>> wouldn't have mattered to them so much. If a userspace program crashes >>>> it doesn't take down the whole box. When speakup does though, it takes >>>> down the whole box. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Michael A. Ray Analyst/Programmer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK The box said: 'install Windows XP, 7 or better'. So I installed Linux Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi? Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ >>From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers