From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2AA951EF7BC; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F7E1EF7AF for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [71.174.176.225]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ND5009J96ZMRX00@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:16:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <54359B9E.10203@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:16:30 -0400 From: Al Sten-Clanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: the push to get rid of CONFIG_VT in the kernel and the future of Speakup References: <87zjd64c16.fsf@mushroom.PK5001Z> <543593E4.5040400@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <543593E4.5040400@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:17:14 -0000 My knowledge of this business is minimal, but I thought that one advantage of the current approach, if you can use a hardware speech synthesizer, is that you can get at least some of the boot-up messages--not as early as sighted folks get them, but well before software speech can kick in. If this is true, wouldn't the proposed change be a very builty-in reduction in non-visual access? Al On 10/08/2014 03:43 PM, Kyle wrote: > It does appear to me that something like this will force more of Speakup > into userspace. However, unlike others, I'm not entirely opposed to the > idea of Speakup leaving the kernel, and I think it can only be a good > thing, especially on newer machines, where dedicated serial ports are > all but obsolete, and software in userspace can take better advantage of > things like Pulseaudio and libusb, meaning more extensive software and > hardware speech support. For example, there would no longer be a need > for kernel modules to control speech synthesizers, and there would no > longer be a need to have external userspace connectors such as Espeakup, > as the entire Speakup screen reader could be moved into userspace, and > anything that interfaces with a speech synthesizer could be either > internal or could be a library that interfaces with a speech API like > speech-dispatcher or others. Even better, if Speakup is moved entirely > into userspace, it could give rise to far better access to consoles on > *BSD and other Unix operating systems, as the code could be far more > portable between operating systems when it doesn't have to be tied into > a specific kernel. Just my $0.02 BSD. That's Bahamian dollars lol. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk/ >