From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Greylist: delayed 3607 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at befuddled; Fri, 10 May 2013 16:47:25 EDT Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30B41EF73A for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 16:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.5.101] ([unknown] [96.233.16.186]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MML0067SLM5OH90@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:46:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <518D4EAD.5050604@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:46:53 -0400 From: Al Sten-Clanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130402 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: Voxin was: Re: Switching to Linux References: <518A5508.8020502@gmail.com> <518A6931.6070806@math.wisc.edu> <25752.1368029641@ccs.covici.com> <518A9206.8090008@math.wisc.edu> <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> <20130509193744.GJ2324@bmcginty.hopto.org> <518C29C9.90704@gmail.com> <20130510182444.GE3601@concerto.rednote.net> <201C934B655C44CCAE12EC5E05B607C3@ownercb76d9f6c> <20130510192852.GH3601@concerto.rednote.net> In-reply-to: <20130510192852.GH3601@concerto.rednote.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 20:47:28 -0000 Hi, Janina. I'm pretty sure I did it from the login screen; I seem to remember having no speech and counting myself lucky to hear Orca. Sorry I'm not more certain, but I guess sixteen days is too long ago for me to remember some things. :-) Al On 05/10/2013 03:28 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > Hi, Al: > > Glad to hear someone got this working! Though, I certainly agree > it's not good to have your password read outloud. > > I tried this just now, but got no joy. Do you do this from the Desktop, > once Orca is loaded and running? Or do you do this from the GDM login > screen itself? Just for grins, I tried both. > > Janina > > Albert Sten-Clanton writes: >> Janina, I'm using Fedora 18, and now have a talking login using these >> instructions from an e-mail last month on the Orca mailing list: >> >> The easiest way to enable screen reader on GDM login screen is to press >> ctrl+alt+tab once, then press right arrow key once, then press down arrow >> key four >> times and then press the enter key. This is with gnome 3.6 on arch linux. >> >> The problem with it is that Orca speaks my password, so it's good that I use >> headphones almost all the time. >> >> Hope this helps a bit on *one* thing, anyway. >> >> Al >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Janina >> Sajka >> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 2:25 PM >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> Subject: Re: Voxin was: Re: Switching to Linux >> >> I don't use Voxin. I do still use TTSynth with Speakup. The compatibility >> library you need is available on Fedora 18 as: >> >> compat-libstdc++-296-2.96-144.1.i686 >> >> PS; With Orca I use speech-dispatcherd and espeak. I have to use a second >> physical audio device for this. I cannot get these two to share the same >> alsa device. >> >> And, I do need to permanently terminate pulseaudio with extreme prejudice. >> >> That's about it. The Fedora GDM still isn't supporting talking login--don't >> get me started talking about that, though! >> >> Firefox, currently at release 20, works wonderfully well. It's useful to use >> recent Firefox releases because the a11y code in FF is actively being >> updated these days >> >> Janina >> >> Kyle writes: >>> According to Brandon McGinty-Carroll: >>> # As I recall, voxen requires /dev/dsp or somesuch ancient sound API. >>> >>> As far as I know, this is correct, but it's a lot worse than that. Not >>> only does Voxin require an ancient sound API, but it also requires >>> ancient C libraries in order to function. The source code is either >>> lost or is otherwise unavailable even to those who would maintain it, >>> so it can't even be rebuilt against the latest C libraries or even get >>> any of its numerous bugs fixed. It still crashes on words like c a e s >>> u r e, which according to Google is a bitcoin client written in >>> Python, and is also a rather common username on some non-blindness >>> related forums. It also crashes on a rather common OCR error when >>> recognizing the word Wednesday. I googled that one as well, and turns >>> out it is a very common OCR scanning error, especially when scanning >>> newspapers. I was especially seeing it in scanned newspaper archives >>> from the late 1800's and early 1900's. There are also reports of >>> random crashes that cause Voxin and other speech synthesis engines >>> with the exact same codebase but different names to randomly kill the >>> screen reader, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, because >>> the source code is not available or is lost. Worse still is the fact >>> that many companies are actually making a profit from licensing >>> something so outdated, broken and unstable, but I guess that's no >>> different from what Microsoft has been doing for years . It may >>> fall on deaf ears for some reason, but my recommendation is to avoid Voxin >> and all the other voices like it. >>> Use eSpeak, because it ships with most distros and just works. If you >>> don't like the way eSpeak sounds, you can still get festival working, >>> and Festival is capable of running some amazing free voices. There's >>> also Pico, which is now supported natively in speech-dispatcher. All >>> these voices sound better and work better than Voxin, which literally >>> makes my head hurt. >>> ~Kyle >>> http://kyle.tk/ >>> -- >>> "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" >>> Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net >> Email: janina@rednote.net >> >> Linux Foundation Fellow >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >> Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf >> Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >