From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from dukecmmtar04.coxmail.com (dukecmmtar04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.47]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270501EF721 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com ([68.99.120.134]) by dukecmmtar04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.8.01.05.06 201-2260-151-112-20120208) with ESMTP id <20130510125039.TLJD932.dukecmmtar04.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com> for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:50:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([70.166.17.50]) by dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com with bizsmtp id aCqf1l00614oyBJ01Cqfz2; Fri, 10 May 2013 08:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <518CED1E.9020107@baechler.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 05:50:38 -0700 From: Tony Baechler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: Voxin was: Re: Switching to Linux References: <8021.1367479350@ccs.covici.com> <518A5508.8020502@gmail.com> <518A6931.6070806@math.wisc.edu> <25752.1368029641@ccs.covici.com> <518A9206.8090008@math.wisc.edu> <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> <20130509193744.GJ2324@bmcginty.hopto.org> <518C29C9.90704@gmail.com> <518C2BCC.3010003@tysdomain.com> In-Reply-To: <518C2BCC.3010003@tysdomain.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:50:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Kyle and the Speakup developers here. On the Windows side of things, GW Micro has to ship a custom dictionary with Window-Eyes to prevent the "new" version of Eloquence from crashing. Regardless of the issues with old C libraries, it is not maintained and can't be for the reason Kyle said. IBM used to maintain Viavoice and dropped it in 2000 if that gives a clue. However, to me, even though I also see John's point and agree that it sounds better than ESpeak for daily use, it is not free software. It's non-free both in the sense of cost and source. People here can complain all they want about ESpeak, but there is absolutely nothing preventing a programmer from modifying the source and data as they wish to make it sound better, hint hint. Also as Kyle says, Festival isn't too bad and I like it a little better, but it's very sluggish when reading. There is also MBrola, but it's also non-free. Samuel Thibault did package MBrola for Debian though, so at least you can install it like a regular package. On 5/9/2013 4:05 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> but I guess that's no different from what Microsoft has been doing >> for years > yeah... totally. Now if you had any clue what you were talking about > short of the usual windows bashing on a Linux list, we might actually > be able to take you seriously. > > Also I honestly see nothing wrong with voxen/eloquence. Sure it is > outdated and has problems, but I prefer it to the harsh headcold sound > of ESpeak. It's a matter of preference that doesn't exactly set voxen > or espeak above one or the other. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRjO0eAAoJEPrAuJWnLe0yjukP/1EYmflpHcSuGXCthr+o1ygn 9DEHNiGjJPRr+78OPJJ8WuGFPTbe8Bi47kUYPlZb//hBkszlkoqf5B2yKpz/+zay 5NVimE49GwBKVv+s74EW3/rJdKLR3z1Ekxw8Ll4s5rT4ev0zhBUg7rzxFz2uE2ng LVkNEfxxoKBCSMztcCK1woZUuqg8hyK1T8JRUOtsQRNua73VR64RtaOw5HngXlVH WbNbpNQAix5N9P/CqRujE8fBKIYPV5pOIcm1gt0gOSgCwGhFRxkExAbuRJn358Z5 /ufvJ/UihL3y0yoo0DsjDIijKHZpdU+QNQxKsZ2nmaPoGaY8WmDKysAP48r+zpzj j9mgu/aNyh8o3w0ytmlAglwrwO5YyIqunT3Vwz6A2X9V1MsBzWv0UAlokaSNFdHA WFM5t4LaaIKOxtwoL5LfFZdRQ0C79wcZxdyh5V32AckvFPr1AQmwvYaXxhv23Cxk 8MheZMrS09CPca9uPbDV8eUfztqLFXXvVP+sa8g2rn+WdkUk1OI2i74rLo/0B65a YTtL3X3edZcyDYDI9jyphXSpL8TlSS37D8XyYYmtDiSJ+IwMaplP0zteibBh6PVs ZuAEZFJQV/2vRMek/AX459qxapQQY7ueP7e0SF9nIKvOnNLqpP78nar5nlqxO+9p 4VRvG6qKZyFwQSRE9BAP =cg3O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----