From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98BEE1EF6C3 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x7so2147781qeu.38 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=67R4SN80il/f7GM98JA9GPjulVE7L46NXEGcGRrhBE4=; b=eHd3vBmOn/8swKaqXdJkNPvV1rdwpQU2EnA2VbRTcins2ABNG/tWGVKTvkg8FgQ4od rs3cI73dQcpV/yN9klsdlD+cIm8W+uJBfKDQzfE1QdnDBKvntW9E1jFRsAeaLSkAx63x tB8Z+i5UZDfbSwl77+UVaS4k77XH1xQEIdHfpY0omAeJmEjvw9gQcq58PENl1tKwc/4R 1gPpIFso+APNWjTsjYsXzl5Naz6EDTho3YqydnbD2UyXrtcgl2mvyZuWolIXq+2oD5ym ccec91xcAPCVPgl3XPnJFbH5ONJquzGiC9w8Vol+0oHiUt8dSCQLZar1Gln7ssYDXhu/ 3rwA== X-Received: by 10.224.33.148 with SMTP id h20mr10155130qad.45.1368140236070; Thu, 09 May 2013 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc.kyle.tk (cpe-098-026-014-050.nc.res.rr.com. [98.26.14.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l13sm174888qaj.9.2013.05.09.15.57.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 May 2013 15:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <518C29C9.90704@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 18:57:13 -0400 From: Kyle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130428 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: speakup@linux-speakup.org Subject: Re: Voxin was: Re: Switching to Linux References: <8021.1367479350@ccs.covici.com> <518A5508.8020502@gmail.com> <518A6931.6070806@math.wisc.edu> <25752.1368029641@ccs.covici.com> <518A9206.8090008@math.wisc.edu> <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> <20130509193744.GJ2324@bmcginty.hopto.org> In-Reply-To: <20130509193744.GJ2324@bmcginty.hopto.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 22:57:19 -0000 According to Brandon McGinty-Carroll: # As I recall, voxen requires /dev/dsp or somesuch ancient sound API. As far as I know, this is correct, but it's a lot worse than that. Not only does Voxin require an ancient sound API, but it also requires ancient C libraries in order to function. The source code is either lost or is otherwise unavailable even to those who would maintain it, so it can't even be rebuilt against the latest C libraries or even get any of its numerous bugs fixed. It still crashes on words like c a e s u r e, which according to Google is a bitcoin client written in Python, and is also a rather common username on some non-blindness related forums. It also crashes on a rather common OCR error when recognizing the word Wednesday. I googled that one as well, and turns out it is a very common OCR scanning error, especially when scanning newspapers. I was especially seeing it in scanned newspaper archives from the late 1800's and early 1900's. There are also reports of random crashes that cause Voxin and other speech synthesis engines with the exact same codebase but different names to randomly kill the screen reader, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, because the source code is not available or is lost. Worse still is the fact that many companies are actually making a profit from licensing something so outdated, broken and unstable, but I guess that's no different from what Microsoft has been doing for years . It may fall on deaf ears for some reason, but my recommendation is to avoid Voxin and all the other voices like it. Use eSpeak, because it ships with most distros and just works. If you don't like the way eSpeak sounds, you can still get festival working, and Festival is capable of running some amazing free voices. There's also Pico, which is now supported natively in speech-dispatcher. All these voices sound better and work better than Voxin, which literally makes my head hurt. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie"