From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (mta1.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.23]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A761EF6B4 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5388387E014; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:01:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mta1.math.wisc.edu Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (charlie.math.wisc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z506uyakeKCj; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:01:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2FF87E001; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:01:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on charlie.math.wisc.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 Received: from mailhost.math.wisc.edu (erdos.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.25]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:01:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.166.19] (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C7BC5400FA; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:01:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 09:01:28 -0500 From: "John G. Heim" Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: Switching to Linux References: <8021.1367479350@ccs.covici.com> <518A5508.8020502@gmail.com> <518A6931.6070806@math.wisc.edu> <25752.1368029641@ccs.covici.com> <518A9206.8090008@math.wisc.edu> <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> In-Reply-To: <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 14:01:31 -0000 All I did was to do a talking install the current debian stable. Orca came up talking on the login screen when I rebooted after finishing the install. Some recommendations: 1. Go with debian stable. 2. Consider doing a dist upgrade to stable backports. This gets you a 3.2 kernel. 3. Use firefox and thunderbird from mozilla on sourceforge. Do not use the equivalent debian packages. 4. Gedit is more than adequate as a replacement for notepad. 5. Consider buying voxin. Voxin is eloquence for linux. You get the same voice as jaws. It costs $6 from the oralux project. (Google it.) Voxin may not be as stable as espeak but I like the voice much more. On 05/09/13 02:27, Tony Baechler wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > What changes did you have to make to your daily routine when you made the > switch? I already use Firefox and Thunderbird here, but I'm still > primarily on XP. I use my Linux server daily, but I purposely haven't put > X on it. I have a small 10 GB installation of Debian unstable with X and > experimental, but Orca fails to work, or at least I don't have speech when > I try to start it. Speakup, of course, works great. I pretty much had > the same bad experiences with Orca as other people and I didn't try to do > anything fancy. In fact, Vinux crashed almost constantly in Orca but not > Speakup. I had to use a Speakup console to kill my Orca session and > reboot. I read on the Debian accessibility list to enable experimental to > bring in the latest Orca improvements, but it didn't seem to help. If > anything, it made things worse as I had a constant stream of broken > packages. Now that Wheezy is out, I'll try again one of these days > soon-ish. I'm not worried about moving my profiles over from Windows, but > I'm more wondering about changes made from an accessibility point of view. > In other words, if someone with little to no Linux experience (not me, > but someone else) wanted to make the full-time switch to Orca, how well > could it be done and what adjustments would they have to make compared to > doing things the Windows way? > > On 5/8/2013 10:57 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >> >> >> >> Huh, you're the second person in this thread to say that about orca. >> But I just decided to switch to linux full time a few months ago and it >> was pretty much a breeze. I had been using that other operating system >> too but almost all the end users I support use linux (all good >> mathematicians do). So I felt I was cheating by not using linux. But I >> have had little to no trouble switching to linux with orca. I use >> thunderbird & firefox constantly. It's not quite as good as >> Windows/jaws but honestly, I made the transition fairly easily. >> >> I am really shocked to hear all these complaints about orca. Not to >> doubt you. It's just that it doesn't jibe with my experience at all. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRi0/LAAoJEPrAuJWnLe0y+yMP/RxUIuVbYrTv8cGcEo1aNMEj > g2qstErfKEtEZKUapAryVr/QfVXdpVt10bPdynFqScKKKQfjMqTmP3CkoCVO02Ao > BGhDnReuc4BI/DWuDnqJYayUusvjINnII47w4cjbfbLY+OEwmOajGlnvTLwIB6p5 > +VVoCKdzIbTBrDk08lCSso24TToNfmVYUMBUDT8mBnRwGNjN182eDVPWy8PAvIUK > QdkTOr1X1RMnn+6JsoHybRr3Owo55ILnL+XDQLEnUe1f5aGlrVXT9sdLPcCwa/uH > Ff61apGsMOX20dZ2DiB4U8aiTuU0dV81eTywFt1UZmu8dGLsEGnhvHRCoNEl0JEN > XwGH61/DdfpXnlBeusHG7quq2mTjPEy4dMpxaDoaVDVVVOf65TnVBcBBUupxZ44W > ZEY/AgbJ5eOFwd8ZZouiVNIQt+BX7gRQ5wVjHwEXlx6d3kNVEsxKIVxhx24+gpXx > Ro5Ci3fUoX/TCK3JjznxnkM7ZVPoom5B1s5ZEjEwfbVNBkOp7G6zOAeFO8N7EyRS > V8upZXTkL+GWi2vT4bfyYz14yo1Vge22OoFXuPc5nftrjvKcKtzuw5QleYct3MYT > UbMbZ0mmKSpVG58P7r6gQljOT0eWCq5z8wLXPzNmCcHAt8Tf9604upZClz7axGnT > 0Kq+DEY+LDiEBVmqsdKs > =Ghdw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- --- John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu