From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Greylist: delayed 1055 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at befuddled; Wed, 01 May 2013 17:58:41 EDT Received: from relay.brainstorminternet.net (relay.brainstorminternet.net [68.168.100.63]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC351EF08B for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1367444458-011d4d56ef15a30001-M1w2vp Received: from mail.brainstorminternet.net (mail.brainstorminternet.net [64.150.183.101]) by relay.brainstorminternet.net with ESMTP id zcCyUIvCwi0jQgqd for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 15:40:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: shenning@durango.net X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.150.183.101 Received: from mail.brainstorminternet.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305B91F54B1F for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [205.201.192.162]) (Authenticated sender: shenning@durango.net) by mail.brainstorminternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51818BE3.1090806@durango.net> Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 15:40:51 -0600 From: "Scott D. Henning" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: the direction of speakup References: <20130501210258.GA10264@linux1> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: the direction of speakup In-Reply-To: <20130501210258.GA10264@linux1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Barracuda-Connect: mail.brainstorminternet.net[64.150.183.101] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1367444458 X-Barracuda-URL: http://spamfilter.brainstorminternet.net:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at brainstorminternet.net X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 1.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=1.00 using per-user scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=NOTEMPTY X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.129735 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.00 NOTEMPTY RAW: NOTEMPTY X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 21:58:42 -0000 Hi, I have been inactive here while studying cisco networking. I noted the subject line and wanted to "listen" in. You bring up good points. ISA is gone today and support seems unneeded. Serial support seems as vital as monitor support for sighted users. When I reflect on how to bring useful code out for blind users, I imagine having users design the interface; detail the needs and then pass it off to a skilled programmer who could write it in their sleep. I realize this is counter to what you suggested here, but it makes sense to utilize the skills programmers have. They do not realize how the code they write affects a blind users understanding of what is presented on the screen. If they did, the code would come easily. I wonder if at times this is not a technical issue, but an ethical one. Do kernal writers know about the community of blind users? How hard would it really be for one of them to add this function? Intercept the text output to the screen and shove it out a port? I have often thought that if the design was known, what would it cost to have it written? this is a good thread. I am worried that speakup will wither if not kept at the fore of development. The world does not use text anymore and it is an invisible issue to most. Who would we work with to add speakup to a kernal, if your question to place it in user space comes back negative. That is it wont run early enough to voice all screen output and it must be in kernal. Thanks for bringing this up. Now I go back to the networking books...smile. Scott -- Scott D. Henning Architectural Audio Design PO Box 1372 Durango, Colorado 81302