From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mta2.math.wisc.edu (mta2.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.24]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEF21EF6C5 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B8B126004 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:47:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mta2.math.wisc.edu Received: from mta2.math.wisc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta2.math.wisc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M7x3Pk0eD7dt for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:47:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mta2.math.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E27126002 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:47:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on delta.math.wisc.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 Received: from mailhost.math.wisc.edu (erdos.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.25]) by mta2.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:47:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.166.19] (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A1878540075 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:47:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <5155A99E.7070702@math.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:47:58 -0500 From: "John G. Heim" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2 References: <963B334B-76C6-494B-B10E-2EEC4631AE1C@gmail.com> <51556090.1040601@baechler.net> <3fb1fb569c54fd8aa7873fa5710d0851@mail.gmail.com> <5155A2D2.3050403@math.wisc.edu> <5155B449.3080600@baechler.net> In-Reply-To: <5155B449.3080600@baechler.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:48:02 -0000 IMO, the shocking thing isn't that REL doesn't have the speakup modules, it's that Red Hat apparently just threw up it's hands and said, "Sorry, blind people, no certs for you." Somebody should sue them. There's no substitute for certification from RH itself. They *have* to make that accessible. This is the kind of thing that steams my wheaties. It's part of the reason I help create the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists (www.iavit.org). On 03/29/2013 10:33 AM, Tony Baechler wrote: > Yes, Speakup wasn't officially in 2.6.32 kernels, but it could still be > compiled as modules. Debian Squeeze ships it, but they don't use a Red > Hat kernel. Even now, they can still make the argument that Speakup > isn't "official" because it's in staging which is considered unofficial. > Regardless, there are other ways of accessing RHEL such as ssh and there > is still no excuse why they can't comply with the ADA and make RHEL > accessible for certification. Also, there is yasr and Gnome Terminal > with Orca, so even without Speakup, there is still no excuse. That > still doesn't address the graphical part of the requirement or the > ability or lack thereof to use the VM. > > On 3/29/2013 6:18 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >> I ttalked to someone here at the University of Wisconsin who manages >> Red Hat >> servers. The UW has a site license for Red Hat. I don't know anything >> about >> it because my department uses debian (lucky for me). >> >> Anyway, he said the reason RH still doesn't give you speakup is that >> their >> current release still uses a 2.6.32 kernel and speakup wsn't included >> in the >> official kernel source until 2.6.37 -- which is correct, I believe. >> >> In a way, I can understand where RH is coming from but, holy cow, they >> are >> making it impossible for blind people to get certification from them. >> That's >> outrageous! I mean, I hate to use this cliche but this is an outrage. >> Personally, I don't give a flying fig about Red Hat because my department >> uses debian. But even so, I find this unconcionable. Somebody ought to >> sue >> their ass. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >