From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A8610A2E for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hscg1a0200b6N64A6zeLa8; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:38:20 +0000 Received: from [10.50.6.35] ([192.195.230.50]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hzdv1a00X15tdps8Pze4BH; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:38:15 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I-twQbHugYIA:10 a=rITDv7nW5hcA:10 a=_ctWjzdLAAAA:8 a=q5txbtUnAAAA:8 a=3EAWN9ttAAAA:8 a=zBloRNtAvh6ip8wsNy4A:9 a=mkR8sx-z2JyMWZcI144A:7 a=lAUkrukF_kHo4Bfsv7mcF9S3rqIA:4 a=aXUJHtye-TwA:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 Message-ID: <48D82C54.7080206@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:37:56 -0500 From: Garrett Klein User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (X11; 2008091216) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: State of accessibility on BSD systems References: <20080920002732.1E33C10B3F@speech.braille.uwo.ca> <48D4C528.8030302@baechler.net> <20080920152153.GA20884@gmx.net> <48D614E3.8030206@baechler.net> <20080921235033.GA15615@localhost.localdomain> <48D7784B.1010205@baechler.net> <20080922192627.GA31285@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20080922192627.GA31285@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: garrettklein@comcast.net, "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:38:09 -0000 Hello, kvm/qemu also have ncurses interfaces. Try kvm -curses or qemu -curses. Hth, Garrett Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 03:49:47AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote: >> OK, I was unclear obviously. What you say is correct in most cases that >> an emulator interface has nothing to do with the guest OS. However, at >> least when I played with Bochs a long time ago, Bochs was different. If >> you didn't need graphics, you could set it to only use a curses >> interface for the emulated OS and it worked. > > Yes, this was even true for installing/running win95/wineyes back when > I tried it. The biggest problem I found here was the lack of keyboard > usability, (I.E. the tab key, the win/menu keys, ETC.), but that's a > different story. > >> It comes with a sample 10 >> MB Linux disk image. If you tell it to not use a GUI but to run the >> image with the curses interface, you have a very minimal emulated Linux >> system. There isn't a lot you can do with it, but I verified that it in >> fact worked. I tried with other images but didn't get anywhere. Maybe >> that has changed but it used to work. > > I never tried the provided images. I just made an hd image, and tried > a clean install of win95 on it. > >> Being that there was no GUI, I >> don't think it was that slow but I don't remember. > > You might have been running bochs on a system with higher specs than > mine. I was running it at the time on a 600 MHz pentium III system, > with 256 megs of RAM, and I don't recall how much swap. Even so, > whether or not you used a gui wouldn't have mattered much I don't > think in terms of speed. As I said, speed depends on the goal of the > bochs project, which is to emulate every single x86 instruction, > rather than letting the native cpu do some of the work. This approach > makes sense if you want to for example run windows, an x86 OS on a non > x86 arch, like Sun sparc for example. > >>>> NetBSD claims to run on anything including the Vax so I'm sure it >>>> has a text installer that could run in an emulator. > > Yeah, in an emulator, or a physical machine. > >> Huh? Yes, the ports collection builds everything from source but you >> can download precompiled packages as well, at least on FreeBSD. > > - From all of my research, you could get only the base system as > binaries on netbsd. If there were binary builds for everything else > besides that, I never found where you could get them from, and I did > look all over the netbsd repos, like you suggested. Maybe this has > changed now, but it was certainly true as far as I could tell, back > when I was running netbsd. Also, it's probably not a good idea to > assume that just because freebsd has something, that netbsd will have > it too, (I'm referring specifically to binary packages here). There > are reasons for why one is called freebsd, and the other is called > netbsd, rather than being the same os identically, right down to the > last detail. I can't speak > for freebsd, I never tried it. > >> The >> dependency tracking isn't the best but it wasn't that bad. I would >> check ftp://ftp.XX.netbsd.org/ again, replacing XX with your country >> code. > > Thanks for the suggestion, but I blew away my netbsd install about a > year or more ago now, and don't plan to bring it back in the near future. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjX8WIACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAyBQCfRpU63OID0ej8u1VZCVT9uK2F > kOEAn0ChS6bRNS3PgS+VIjS4/ZO/AXOg > =y9dV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >