From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9F6C01EF7C6; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com (mail-oi0-f41.google.com [209.85.218.41]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 090A71EF7B7 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id u20so3262186oif.0 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:reply-to:to:references:subject :date:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ICTd4MEKoh3XMD0cMxzxzH/ec8ZLB74CtQl/WiFKg9c=; b=NfgjkqKaTQ7I8dp//dg83uJ8hqgiP+jn9Pl7Ew/KXfXERjJBrcyc6ZqJkhQZx+/ww1 HJqcl7iNQjLNKa5GaelIoUJW4u5WEFgbHjkzLRkl3Rtw4Yse+YghDP5wt7XgnjBeEmFs ztu/FLxgPhGmDQcZmJlJ8pr+hhgHCBx2vP/Np4sumC8cesrPjednduBRmoxEvDdiouoz pqqfp98dqENC9iePqEc6FHAVb0HtaV8EHgGQ6C5Oe5dbVbnzgQQpRxXkH8DbRizNqBQj Yi90xp4oW6tDFxnhEHzuOeBLoJJmoWuHhXzLyQrGA5XJ/LKffXoF8ewsZdl/JDjQ9G9D 8fsg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmOqT5wdzefqSomv+Vxk4F9z5GYAyb0ADPvzM0lUtmlyjCHm7XWokDv7hAttEKb07/WiqzS X-Received: by 10.202.201.143 with SMTP id z137mr2364193oif.70.1412868516108; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your2c061f0461 (184-155-1-210.cpe.cableone.net. [184.155.1.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r136sm568209oie.6.2014.10.09.08.28.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn X-Google-Original-From: "Glenn" Message-ID: <478C3EC865774707826A4B0E156AE72B@your2c061f0461> Reply-To: "Glenn" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <20141009125200.GI1044@opera.rednote.net> <86ppe1gyed.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> <543691D1.9050000@tysdomain.com> <543693B5.9060601@tysdomain.com> <5436A145.30001@verizon.net> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:28:12 -0500 Organization: home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:28:46 -0000 What we need is a piece of hardware that does OCR directly from the video port. It seems like that would be a relatively easy device to produce, given what we have these days. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Sten-Clanton" To: ; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story First, I thank Janina for raising certain issues better than I could. (I also thank others who've made valuable points from different angles.) Second, where is the equivalent code for kicking in the monitor when we boot up? Shouldn't the aim be to treat our access technology in the same or an equivalent way, to the degree possible? Al On 10/09/2014 09:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > I also wanted to point out that most companies and organizations are a > bit weird about installing anything. The fact that Speakup is in the > kernel, but the entire idea of installing a special program which > they're not sure of, be it screen reader or magnification bothers most > people, so this isn't just an issue of Speakup possibly being better. > There are reasons and there obviously is a need for speakup to get > better, perhaps that means coming out of kernel space. But a sad story > from once upon a time with a moral unrelated is not quite the point. > On 10/9/2014 9:46 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> This whole story sounds like it needs another couple of bears to make >> it all interesting. So speakup crashed the kernel. I've had issues, >> but apart from known bugs I've never seen speakup panic the kernel all >> the time. Speakup caused a system to crash? Perhaps. People should >> also backup their work. >> On 10/9/2014 9:34 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>> Janina, >>> >>> speakup was the cause because when bossman came down to hook up a >>> monitor and look, the panick messages had something to do with speakup. >>> >>> As for backing up their work, they were trying to fix their fuck-up to >>> begin with. The initial problem wasn't with speakup. However when i was >>> helping them debug it, speakup made the kernel panick and crash. >>> >>> Debian i dont think likes people with root access on their box to begin >>> with, but i think they kind of didn't like speakup in their kernel to >>> begin with. >>> >>> I suspect on the other hand that if speakup was a user-space app, it >>> wouldn't have mattered to them so much. If a userspace program crashes >>> it doesn't take down the whole box. When speakup does though, it takes >>> down the whole box. >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup