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[72.213.128.22]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id zs16sm24482355pab.13.2016.05.26.22.22.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 May 2016 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version To: Glenn , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." , shawn@shawnk.ca References: <20160517172409.GN32487@katolaz.homeunix.net> <20160520202337.GA19066@gregn.net> <20160523134308.GG32487@katolaz.homeunix.net> <20160523223305.GB20081@gregn.net> <20160526055409.GS32487@katolaz.homeunix.net> <20160526232351.GB8518@gregn.net> <22BB58424D3247169C16235B1E2BEEAA@LennyAcer5720> From: tim Message-ID: <3d65b806-1057-bbf3-f62b-1eff4ba31b55@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 00:22:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22BB58424D3247169C16235B1E2BEEAA@LennyAcer5720> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 05:23:02 -0000 I remember opensuse 11.0 had a speaking boot menu, there isn't much docks on it or even how to get it set up, but apparently they use either grub or G something the name escapes me at the moment, but if you hit f11 after the POST, and I believe a beep, it would speak and also speak as you arrowed threw what device/etc you wished to boot from. On 05/26/2016 07:49 PM, Glenn wrote: > I wish GRUB would do this by default, and perhaps do an increasing tone beep > as one arrowed down the screen. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version > > > Just a couple of thoughts here. > If you want to generate beeps once the system is booted then try the beep > command. This command lets you play beeps at a specified frequency and > length. I've found it very useful to have different tones indicate different > things during the boot process. > As for starting speakup, maybe have a small script to do this? Something > that would involve typing only one command and would do all the steps > needed. The less silent typing the better. > I like the idea of having beeps at the isolinux prompt, I don't think I've > seen a live cd do that before. I really wish isolinux could do different > beep tones, then they could be used to indicate different items. > Unfortunately some machines seem to have the beep disabled at boot so this > may or may not work. > > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >> Hi KatolaZ and the speakup list, >> KatolaZ, I'm sending a cc to the speakup list, which is full of blind >> GNU/Linux speakup user's. I have my own thoughts on your comments >> below, but my preferences aren't everyone else's. So, I think it's a >> really good idea to give you more feedback at this point in our >> discussion. Fellow speakup listers, the images that KatolaZ is >> working on can be found at: >> >> >> >> As I type this, we have a beep at the isolinux boot prompt, which >> sounds to me like three beeps. You can either press enter here, or >> wait a few seconds more. If you are booting from a burned cd, it will >> spin for a bit. If you are booting some other way, wait maybe three >> minutes at most, probably less. Either way, then type "root", and >> "toor" as the password to login. Then to start speakup, type: >> >> modprobe speakup_soft >> >> followed by >> >> service espeakup start >> >> You should then hopefully get software speech. The images also include >> brltty, which is started by default, and configured for a usb >> display. Since brltty and speakup both want to use the numpad, you >> will have to do service brltty stop to stop brltty, so speakup can >> control the numpad. The alternative is to use speakup's laptop layout, >> which does work just fine. The images include yasr as well, which I >> haven't tested yet. >> >> Comments are inline. >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:54:09AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 03:33:05PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: >>>> Hi again, >>>> as far as getting agetty to play ctrl+g ... I don't know of a way to >>>> do that. You can however simply edit /etc/issue, and put a ctrl+g into >>>> that. The way I do this in vi is to do vi /etc/issue. >>>> Then I do "i" to insert at the beginning, and then I do ctrl+v ctrl+g >>>> to insert a ctrl+g into the file. Then I just do esc, followed by >>>> ":wq" to save the file. >>>> >>> Hi Greg, >>> >>> thanks you very much for your reply. I am actually trying to find a >>> solution that is somehow configurable, but maybe that just putting a >>> ^G in issue is just fine. >>> >>> I have also scripted a simple daemon that "beeps" every second during >>> the boot, and emits a certain beep sequence when the boot is complete >>> (basically, when getty has been spawned). I will now test it and if >>> everything works fine I will include it in the next release. >> Ok, thanks. I have tested so far with the >> Devuan_1.0_Jessie-Beta_minimal-live_amd64-20160523_0028.iso image. At >> the boot prompt, there are what seem to be three beeps one after the >> other. I'm personally think that's probably longer than it needs to >> be. I would say that a single beep is good enough. I'm also not sure >> that progress during boot is necessary. I think that a beep at the >> isolinux boot prompt, and another at the login prompt would be enough, >> but that's just my personal opinion, others might find progress beeps >> useful. I don't think such a a thing has been tried on a livecd before. >> >>> I was also thinking of "marking" the bootloader entries with beeps, >>> but I don'w know what is the best way to do that. Basically, at the >>> moment we have a single beep in each of the "bootable" entries. Maybe >>> it might be useful to have 1 beep for the first entry, 2 for the >>> second one, and so on? I am not sure though, since we also have in the >>> boot menu two or three "special" entries (one is memtest, the other is >>> a call to the chainloader, to boot whatever is found in the first >>> disk), which should be somehow marked differently. >>> >> I have always found it sufficient to know what was in >> the boot menu, and to count arrow key presses to get what I wanted to >> get to. Having different beeps for each boot entry is another concept >> which I don't think has been tried before. I'm not sure >> what the majority of blind >> users would prefer. Perhaps you will get some feedback here. >> >>> I would appreciate your take on this aspect. I was thinking to have >>> something like: >>> >>> 1) a single beep for each "normal" boot entry >>> >>> 2) two beeps for the special "memtest" entry >>> >>> 3) three beeps for the chainloader >>> >>> A visually impaired user might just scroll through the first four >>> options (a single beep for each line), then bump into the memtest (two >>> beeps), then find the chainloader options (three beeps), then come >>> back to the first bootable option (one beep) >> That sounds reasonable to me. >> >>> Thanks again for your feedback, which is very much appreciated. >> Thanks again for your work. >> >> Greg >> >> >>> HND >>> >>> KatolaZ >>> >>> -- >>> [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] >>> [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] >>> [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] >>> [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] >>> >> -- >> web site: http://www.gregn.net >> gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your >> contacts. >> >> -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup